Decided to bring this discussion out of the rock thread, and into a thread of its own. Here you can yell and scream at eachother to your hearts' content over the meaning of this hatred for other people.

Frankly, I think it's the natural human instinct to hate and/or fear those different from you and rationalizing it with seemingly logical reasoning. At least, seemingly logical to the person coming up with the reasoning.

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

I hate homophobics! They won't suck my dick!

just because something is inherent in human nature does not make it right.

For argument's sake, why don't some of the people on the opposite side of my argument post what THEY hate. And I do mean "HATE".

Bunner asked before what I hate. I could very well tell him that, but I'd only be proving my own point in my own case. That would not actually allow me to theorize based on outside data.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

I want to agree with the statement "just because something is inherant in human nature doesn't make it right." This is because I have a concience. The problem is that if one wants to change human nature... how in the world would it happen? And if it did, what would be the unintended side-effects?

I think human nature has changed considerably since the Dawn of Man, but it seems to me that greed has become even MORE inherent.

I also believe that the more we market products to children, the more we will be environmentally, and subsequently by natural selection, predisposing children to be materialistic and captitalistic.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

So, we should raise our kids to be a bunch of fucking hippies? I'm glad I grew up in a materialistic, capitalistic society. Having products marketed toward me was one of the most fun things about being a kid.

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Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way.

I liked having toys. I liked toys. A lot, actually. I still do.

Companies direct things toward children and utilize the "nag factor" to spur parents to buy these products for their children.

You don't think it's absolutely horrible that in order to MAKE MORE MONEY, a company relies on causing parents and children anguish? Anguish over spending more money on absolutely brain-draining products for children and anguish from children because their parents can't afford it?

On the opposite end, you have kids wanting this shit and just getting it becuase the parents do it to shut them up. It's rare that a child in this latter situation does NOT become spoiled.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

I don't really think there's all that much actual "anguish" involved in most cases. Most kids get the toys their parents can afford to buy them, and if they don't get the more expensive stuff, they get over it. If the kid is a demanding, spoiled brat then that's the fault of the parents, not some toy commercial.

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Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way.

We don't all have to turn into hippies, but there is something to be said for keeping things in perspective. While kids in Haiti are getting thier feet amputed from gangreen caused by standing around in flood waters laden with decaying carcasses, I'll be shopping for some retarded piece of fluff for my niece. Makes you think.

Getting back to the original topic, I... erm... having nothing to really say about it. I don't like or dislike gay people, particularly.

Of course, I myself am all man, if you know what I mean. Ask your sister about that! Yeah, buddy. (nervously averts eyes from MikeyG's firm round buttocks).

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I was gonna send a robot back in time, but I got high.

Damn, i finally clicked on one of the hundreds of "click here" topics and it turns out to be about hippies or capitalists or something.

Wangs!

Dongs!

Are you sufficiently entertained now?

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I was gonna send a robot back in time, but I got high.

How are the gay people going to jump the homophobes (because, you know, they all want them) if they only click here if they hate homophobia? This trap is flawed!

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Poop.

But I thought homophobia WAS hate, so can you really hate hate?

And where are the naked guys?

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

No, but according to your theory it would expose all your own faults, so...do tell! :D

In my case, I don't hate people themselves. I hate what they do. And what you call 'human nature' can easily be changed if there is determination to do so. I can't tell you how many things I do that go against my 'nature' but I do them just because I know it's morally right. That doesn't make me a fake, it makes me the one in power over what I do and gives me the ability to make wise choices in life and take responsibility for them.

I hate war. I hate taking someone else's life, for any reason.
I hate lying, deceit, with a passion. I won't lie to others and I expect the same treatment in return.
I hate rationalizing, minimizing and denying.
I hate addiction.
I hate prejudice, intolerance and racial discrimination.
I hate arrogance and belligerence.
I hate head games and mental cruelty.
I hate physical, emotional, verbal, or sexual abuse, and any abuse of power.

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“It is only with the heart that one sees rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye.” - The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (1945)

I hate racism, particularly against minorities. Whites have been very, very priveleged as compared to minorities in this country, so taking whites a peg down is not racism in my opinion. Anyway, I hate racism because I have been guilty of it in my mind.

I hate pretension. Why? I dislike it because I've dealt with many people who are pretentious. I HATE it because I have consciously made an effort to excise any pretentious qualities from my personality. (With mingled success, it appears). See? It's internalized.

I hate stupidity. I've chosen not to be stupid (I am sure that's debatable) because I know that I was once, or was made to feel stupid. Everyone has.

I hate newbies who put out threads and comics and don't take criticism in stride. I hate that. Why? Because you're not being constructive, and not willing to learn by simply dismissing or railing against criticism. Have I done that myself? Sure.

I agree. Doing things against your 'nature' is how you change yourself and the things around you. You may have grown up just thinking puppies are evil, and later on made a conscious effort to love them. I love puppies, by the way. But I'm still all man.

This does not mean, in my theories, that you have taken someone else's life. But you can't tell me you haven't thought about it, or wished someone dead. You know it's wrong, and you make yourself stop thinking like that because you catch yourself. You hate war, so do I. I've personally been involved in a few fights. I've had violent thoughts/tendencies. I see the damage it can do.

Have you never in the past?

As do I, but I am most certainly currently guilty of a few of those.

You surely have been addicted to something. I don't hate addiction as much as I used to, because it is far too easy to become addicted to too many things.

As do I. I've been both persecuter and victim, and I loathe both roles.

So do I, but I am quite capable of both.

Head games are called head games because two people play them. One person usually starts it and facilitates it, but usually the victim will find him/her self playing along or playing a game against the original perpetrator just to somehow come out on top, because they've been so victimized. Mental crueltly is so widespread that I'm not even sure I understand what your (or even my) definition of it is.

I've only verbally abused anyone, and I suppose that can constitute emotional abuse. (When I whip boinky33's naked buttocks, it's not physical abuse because he really likes it.) I know that I've wished others physical, emotional, verbal, or even sexual abuse, but never really saw myself as capable of that. I've had all of those save sexual abuse done to me, and I can honestly say that when I exibit characteristics similar to ones exibited by the abuser, I try to change them.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

This is true.

And while I can't honestly say I've never lied, it's probably been years since I have and very rare. Again, because I believe you should treat others the way you want to be treated, and I hate to find out someone has lied to me.

If you also hate rationalizing, minimizing, etc...why would you knowingly do it? I have to say I appreciate your honesty and gregariousness.

I was addicted to speed a quarter of a century ago, but it was very short-lived once I realized I was jonesing and quit taking it. It was prescription, for weight loss.

Head games, imo, are not two-sided. If a person knows you well enough to play on your emotions, your social training, your good nature or generosity for example, and they decide to use those good qualities to take advantage of you emotionally or mentally, there's very little you can do about the game except learn as much as you can about your own tendencies and responses, and then not allow yourself to be victimized again. (As we talked about in IRC, Mikey, that's a survival mechanism).

All in all, I'd like to commend you for taking ownership of your own failings and working on changing the unwanted tendencies... most people don't. They make excuses, it's genetic, or environment, or circumstance... or some other load of crap.

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“It is only with the heart that one sees rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye.” - The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (1945)

I hate having the shit beat out of me.

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What others say about boorite!

Then you better stay your ass away from my block, fag!

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I was gonna send a robot back in time, but I got high.

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I will rate you hard, and unendingly.

Yes, pita. I think the victim engaging in the game is nothing more than a survival mechanism, a defense mechanism. You hate games because you have seen what they do to you, and how you act in response.

If I made a contradicting statement earlier, I apologize, but I do not believe that all hatred towards something is rooted ONLY in self-reflection, but I definitely believe it is a solid factor.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

That's normal...don't beat yourself up over it :D

Mikey, just for the record, none of the things I hate stem from self reflection (that's not to say I've never done any of those things.) Actually, every one of them became hated behaviours because of my experiences in life with other people.

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“It is only with the heart that one sees rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye.” - The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (1945)

I hate homo sapiens. Will that do?

Same here. I think thay should all go back to Africa, where they came from.

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I was gonna send a robot back in time, but I got high.

Then they can go back to east asia where they really come from.

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

Then to the moon!