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MikeyG
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Well, all the oppression and horrendousness caused by capitalism is not as obvious because it is done in a "civilized" manner.

Anyway, fuck Bush, fuck Clinton, and fuck anyone else who promises to be for the people but is backed by corporate money.

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Screendummie
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If I don't get proper feed back, very well then.

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Screendummie
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The US Interstate highway system was designed with a similar purpose in mind.

Certainly nothing like the Final Solution. That was the worst ever. And yet, our country does have its holocausts. And although neither Bush nor Clinton is Hitler, the Fourth Reich could happen here if conditions were right. It might be a kinder, gentler Reich, but still.


Yes, yes. I know that an act of Congress (Demorcat majority) created the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 signed into law by then President Eisenhower (Rep.). Guess you don't understand that Eisenhower was a military man that understood that a military and also a large national economy needs a vast logistical system of roads to work and move about. Guess our economy should grind to halt to ensure that military can't use the highway system.

Even if you're joking about the Fourth Reich I think that's just plain silly. Yes, yes, compare us to the Holy Roman Empire, Kaiser's Riech and Hitler's Riech! Everyone still bitches about the politicians. So what, it was worse a 150 years ago. But still, there is no right conditions that it would happen here. Closest that it nudged forward was the Great Depression, and that miserably failed even with twenty percent unemployment.

Not anything related to the three quarter "recession lite" that Bush and the rest of the nation experienced. And an umployment level basically on par or below during Clinton's best.

And yes, I know the Indian Wars were horrendous and should be corrected. Amends should be made as best as possible. And that we had slavery too. But I remind you all, my ancestors were not part of that (as a majority of our ancestors were not a part). Mine were fleeing the oppressive Second Reich and Mexico's continuous Revolutions.

And if its so bad here (US), why do over a million illegals from China, Mexico and the rest of the world still come here every year now?

Malice claimed as satire is still malice.

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boorite
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Um, I do understand that. That was the point.

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Even if you're joking about the Fourth Reich I think that's just plain silly. Yes, yes, compare us to the Holy Roman Empire, Kaiser's Riech and Hitler's Riech! Everyone still bitches about the politicians. So what, it was worse a 150 years ago. But still, there is no right conditions that it would happen here. Closest that it nudged forward was the Great Depression, and that miserably failed even with twenty percent unemployment.

Two items for your perusal:

1. Manifest Destiny.

2. The work of psychologist Stanley Milgram.

Not to mention slavery and Jim Crow, the American apartheid. Tell me again it's "silly" to think it could happen here, given the right conditions.

Oh, now I see you are already on top of 2/3 of these items.

And yet, it's "silly" that a Fourth Reich could happen here? You minimize Washington's genocide of the Native Americans by saying "amends should be made... but?" The closest we've come to genocide is the Great Depression? And yet you mention slavery and the Indian Wars? And we're not even mentioning Indochina.

I think you may have overreached.

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And if its so bad here (US), why do over a million illegals from China, Mexico and the rest of the world still come here every year now?

Who said it was bad here?

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Malice claimed as satire is still malice.

Malice? I was giving you some points, Dummie.

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Screendummie
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Two items for your perusal:

1. Manifest Destiny.

2. The work of psychologist Stanley Milgram.

Not to mention slavery and Jim Crow, the American apartheid. Tell me again it's "silly" to think it could happen here, given the right conditions.

Oh, now I see you are already on top of 2/3 of these items.

And yet, it's "silly" that a Fourth Reich could happen here? You minimize Washington's genocide of the Native Americans by saying "amends should be made... but?" The closest we've come to genocide is the Great Depression? And yet you mention slavery and the Indian Wars? And we're not even mentioning Indochina.

I think you may have overreached.

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Malice claimed as satire is still malice.

Malice? I was giving you some points, Dummie.


The Nazis attempted to gain power by using the disastrous economy and mass unemployment in Weimar Germany. Rampant inflation caused by the terms of Versailles and the default of loans to its creditors had caused an increase rise on the fringe party of the National Socialists.

You would have to assume that one ultar-left or ultra-right party would take control under a sole figure head. The US had suffered economically, but not remotely acted in the same manner. Part of the Nazis way was blaming Jews for all ailments. That isn't happening today at all in the general US populous against any group. A desperate economy can breed dispicable parties.

I don't see how Manifest Denisty is remotely in play in American politics anymore. The US is not out to conquer the rest of the North America. Those politicians who enacted those policies of the past will have to face the consequences to their Creator. That part of the past is no longer been part of the US political spirit for decades.

Stanley Milgram? Just did a check on him. You want me to read items about a man with outright questionable ethics? Enough to get him suspended from the APA. He believes the military to be blind killing machines? After being third generation in the military, I know soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines are not automotons that obey orders without question. It looks as though he created his experiments to end in the way he wanted. You do have to question his methods (and being a Hollywood sellout).

You want to forget that those Jim Crow laws did violate the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments. The Supreme Court also violated the Constution in supporting those blantant acts of unconstitutional law. It took several more acts of Congress (and sadly Kennedy's death) to finally rectify and strike down those illegal Jim Crow laws. Sometimes it took direct executive efforts, as President Eisenhower to use US soldiers to force integration as he did in Alabama.

You misunderstand South African apartheid too! Apartheid itself was a tiny minority of an ethnic group in command against an overwhelming majority of another. Not the other way around. And I do know oppression is still oppression, either in South Africa's or US's past.

Either you didn't understand what I meant by genocide in the end, or it was blantant disregard. And Indochina? That's just a crock. What geniocide was actually commited by US forces during the duration? The US military and executive branch did not hold an active policy of genocide against Vietnamese, Laotions and Cambodians. My grandfather was in Vietnam twice, and hearing from other Viet vets, that's just simply a lie about genocide and mass murders. If that was true why didn't the Communist regime dig up mass graves of Vietnamese caused by US soldiers and Marines? Because there was none. It wasn't until the withdrawl of all US forces in the South-East Asia region that led to the mass murder that happened.

The act of mass murder wasn't even in Vietnam in Indochina, but in Cambodia where the Khmer Rouge had destoryed its nation by unfathomable murder of over a million and a half of its own peopl. It took Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia to bring the killing to a halt and bring stability.

The act of bondage too was caused by natives of Africa. Slaverly, sadly, still persists to today in Africa (especially the Sudan). However, slavery isn't genocide. The act itself is horrendous then and it is now and we must put all efforts, even the use of arms, to liberate those shackled. The soutehrn states may have claimed "states rights", but they were wrong in their actions in the complete. To put it simply, you obviously miss used the term of genocide twice.

You are mainly using references of the past, but nothing of the present. There are not active policies to oppress particular groups in the US. In an age today in the US where regardless of gender, ethnicity, religion, national origin, and sexual preference, you can do never before than what a person could do today. I see multicuturalism today because Americans want it, and it won't go away, regardles of what the fringes of the left or right groups will do and say.

There won't be a one party state, because Americans are too diverse in ideas to let that happen. Even if a president attempted to order troops to overthrow the government, they would refuse such illegal orders. As I said before: Soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen are not automotons. They may have to kill the enemy in combat, but its not always something we take joy and solice in.

Again: "Malice made in satire is still malice" was in reference to the comic.

I didn't over react. I was just simply pointing out the obvious inconsistancies of the comic. And how people take solice in calling others the equivalent of genocidial maniacs. Its not funny in any way.

Oh yeah, you intentionally took my words out of context about the Indian Wars with "amends should be made... but?" I almost missed that for a moment. "But" what exactly? That was never in my words. So adding them is intentionally re-writing.

The conditions that I had been referring to my earlier post had been primarily economical reasons. I would like to hope you had mis-read, rather then completely taken my words out of context intentionally.

--S. Dummie

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MikeyG
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Let me clarify a better scenario for you. Railroad corporations, buffered by the friendliest Justice to the Railroad corporations, gained massive amounts of power through several key, albeit obscure Supreme COurt decisions after the disatrous economic collapse of the Civil War and the mass unemployment. You'll notice a trend in my proceeding statements.

The only thing I can accurately say in regards to this is that "parties" or groups tend to consolidate their power the best immediately following landmark events, such as Versailles and others. Also, National Socialists were a pretty far cry from actual socialism, which just goes to show you that you can call a festering bacteria a lovely force of nature, but it's still eating your flesh.

Do you not find it strange that an ultra-anything party generally takes control in these situations? I dare say after 9/11 the Bush Administration did everything in its power to consolidate its stranglehold over the House. They're pretty ultra-right-wing, even by conservative standards. And any economy can breed despicable parties, not just a desperate one. A desperate economy breeds desperate people. And as we know that the real power in just about ANYWHERE is whoever's got the most money, any of our presidents are technically figureheads. Do you think the U.S. has all the money it needs, on its own, to do everything it needs to do? Enough money to wage a hundred-billion-dollar war across the Gulf, subsidize certain private corporations based on their functions, subsidize housing, subsidize farms & farmers, renovate schools, build schools, research AIDS, research cancer, care for patients, provide salaries, benefits, and retirement packages for all its employees, send Senators and FCC members on all-expense-paid vacations, fund new education and health programs, etc., etc., et fucking cetera?The answer is NO. The entire government is reliant on joint profit-sharing deals with corporations and donations from company PACs and lobbyists for all of this great stuff. So, since we as a country are so dependant on corporate money, it's pretty understandable that the bickering figures on Capitol Hill are really just...figures. At this point they might as well be figures of speech.

Forget for a second that there is no written piece of paper saying "Manifest Destiny" on the President's desk. Let's take a look at what is absolutely established by even the most radical rightie. America relies on corporations. Corporations are merely superefficient money-making machines. They exist as fairly faceless creatures whose sole purpose is to gather money. Let's use that time-honored corporate pariah itself, Halliburton, to make my point. Iraq was inaccessable to U.S. corporate interests under Saddam Hussein. That regime is no longer, and as far as anyone can tell, the U.S. pretty much controls Iraq (as much as it can actually be controlled, that is.). Halliburton has a very exclusive, very lucrative contract with the U.S. government to do some rather vague stuff, considering their corporate charter is rather vague, and nowadays a corporation does not legally have to define exactly what it is. Halliburton will make lots of money in Iraq, becaue they already are. Halliburton = huge U.S. corporation. Huge U.S. Corporations = good things for government based solely on taxes (if reported accurately). Huge US Corp = GREAT thing for US government if money made by Huge US Corp gets put back into America in some cool ways. Ways like a Halliburton Little League Stadium or a Halliburton-donated phalanx of police cars for certain city forces. See the connection? Manifest Destiny is not simply the government taking what it thinks will be its anymore. The property gets taken, but never becomes OFFICIALLY the US' property.

Don't know him.

And all the while, the corporations were using the 14th amendment to grant them unprecedented rights as "persons", even going as far as to gaining rights under the 5th amendment. Overturning Jim Crow laws was important, if you look at some 9th Circuit Court decisions, you'll see that the reversal of Jim Crow laws was inevidable.

Racial oppression is nothing more than a more expertly specified arm of class oppression. Class oppression continues in America as the gap between the poor and the rich grows wider BY THE DAY. Racial Oppression is easy to the oppressors, as it makes it ten times easier to oppress a particular group of already oppressed people.

You're going to hear many conflicting tales of what happened in Vietnam, and you should believe NONE of them initially. Question everything, research it, read both for and against arguments, and make your decision if necessary. A reason for the inability to dig up mass graves could be the rampant use of Napalm, which burns the shit out of everything. As it is, the U.S.' reasons for going into Vietnam are STILL vague. And please don't say it was because the Commies were killing other Vietnamese people, because I find it hard to believe that with all the class warfare in the world (including the African Hutu and Tutsi genocidal conflict) that Vietnam was somehow more important than hundreds of other dying people.

Then who were we fighting?

I hope you are not saying that Africans started the slave trade. Dutch and English profiteers started slavery, and some more enterprising (and turncoat) Africans hopped on the slave trade and became frontline slavetraders. Slavery is most definitely genocide when an untold number of a certain race, class, or ethnicity of people die and are unaccounted for due to haphazardly documented conditions. Do you know how many black people perished just on transport over here? Or died within hours of being put in fields? Died from exhaustion? Died from beatings ministered while succumbing to exhaustion? Died from common, treatable ailments, even back then, simply because they were "property" and not "People" and didn't warrant proper medical treatment? Slavery, especially en masse, is most certainly genocide, my ignorant friend.

The past is not something that washes away once it is over. The past is not something that exists solely in book or a recording or a story. The past is interwoven into everything, today, tomorrow, and right this second. Everything that happened, especially the negative things, are still impacting society today. You cannot simply wave away the accurate references of boorite simply because they are history. Not only do they have analytical relevance, but if you are smart enough, you can trace the exact route where something he referenced is still in some way in effect today.

There already IS a one-party state. The Corporate Party. Enron alone donated over 600 million to the Republican party and over 400 million to the Democratic party in its reign. We don't even have the true ability to debate these issues in a truly public forum (like Capitol Hill) because the people in the Senate do not represent any of us. They are ll businessmen, and most of us in the U.S. are NOT.

As for soldiers, basic training is designed to break as much free will and thought as possible to whip you into a routine. Routine breeds familiarity, and they wish to instill a core inside you through basic training. You are instructed to never forget the lessons you learn in Basic, as it is the guidebook for the rest of your military, and ultimately civilian, career. Soliders are automatons in a limited manner of speaking. Soldiers are not always given direct commands. Sometimes they are given a command to do something and there is a very small group of choices they can make. This is why SOME autonomy is necessary for soldiers. But they are trained to be single-minded individuals, Dummie. That's what is wanted of them. Do you want a soldier under you, as a Staff Sergeant or maybe an actual Officer, to ask why God seems to want him to kill a bunch of poor people right after you've told him to charge up a hill and take out a bunker? You don't want a curious soldier. You want one who can take care of himself and who will take your orders.

Please, resume your normal discourse.

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boorite
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ScreenDipshit: I'm not here to do "War and Peace." Too much verbiage.

I'm aware of the questionable ethics of Milgram's experiments. (BTW, congratulations on your ability to type a name into a search engine.) It was the findings I was drawing your attention to. To wit: An alarming percentage of Americans will do any sadistic thing an "authority" tells them to. Therefore, your glib reassurance that the Fourth Reich couldn't happen here sounds pretty empty. What is wanted is vigilance, not smug platitudes about how America is the good guy. As you've acknowledged, we haven't always been.

You made the point that Bush and Clinton are not Hitler. It's a point well taken. We're not the Fourth Reich. But that's not the greatest claim to fame, is it? Better than Hitler? Should that be our national motto? Let's not break our arms patting ourselves on the back.

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Spankling
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Some folks think blather = truth.

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MikeyG
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Like me, I guess.

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Screendummie
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ScreenDipshit: I'm not here to do "War and Peace." Too much verbiage.

I'm aware of the questionable ethics of Milgram's experiments. (BTW, congratulations on your ability to type a name into a search engine.) It was the findings I was drawing your attention to. To wit: An alarming percentage of Americans will do any sadistic thing an "authority" tells them to. Therefore, your glib reassurance that the Fourth Reich couldn't happen here sounds pretty empty. What is wanted is vigilance, not smug platitudes about how America is the good guy. As you've acknowledged, we haven't always been.

You made the point that Bush and Clinton are not Hitler. It's a point well taken. We're not the Fourth Reich. But that's not the greatest claim to fame, is it? Better than Hitler? Should that be our national motto? Let's not break our arms patting ourselves on the back.


You're too touchy. Tisk tisk. Name calling doesn't work on me.

If you over react and take what I write too seriously, then that's your fault. You have no sense of humor.

Either way, I don't care.

--S. Dummie

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3-19-05 1:37am (new)
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Screendummie
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Like me, I guess.


Yes, yes. Can you teach me to be as hateful as you?

Either way, you're too entertaining.

--S. Dummie

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Spankling
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IQ and Voting

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4-02-05 9:04pm (new)
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Spankling
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Draft ETA 2006

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cpausti
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Hahaha, awesome link, Spankling.

-cpausti

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4-03-05 11:38pm (new)
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boorite
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And now our idiot President appears on TV with a goddamn filing cabinet to make the "point" that Social Security isn't funded by real money but just papers, which if his self-lobotomized drooling fuckwit followers thought about for two whole seconds aaaarghshitfuck [heart attack]

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4-06-05 8:43am (new)
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MikeyG
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NOTHING IS FUNDED BY REAL MONEY OMG OMG OMG

If you have a BANK ACCOUNT, you don't REALLY have cash sitting in your own personal vault somewhere. It's all electronic.

For chrissakes.

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PhreakyChinchilla
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NOTHING IS FUNDED BY REAL MONEY OMG OMG OMG

If you have a BANK ACCOUNT, you don't REALLY have cash sitting in your own personal vault somewhere. It's all electronic.

For chrissakes.


Actually, prostitution is. They make you pay up front usually.

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MikeyG
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No, prostitution is funded by KajunFirefly and andydougan.

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MikeyG
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Whee!

Church history!

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cpausti
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Whee!

Church history!


I always get that warm, fuzzy feeling in my nose and ears when I complain about Catholicism.

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PhreakyChinchilla
DANGER WILL ROBINSON!

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Whee!

Church history!


"Formosus' friends crept into his cell and strangled him. "

With friends like that, who needs enemies.

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Spankling
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How much of this comes out of your paycheck?

Ridge admits that threat level system is all crap

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5-11-05 9:31pm (new)
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Spankling
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Oh this is good.

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5-12-05 9:23pm (new)
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fuzzyman
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It finally made the mainsfream media, though I don't see the story listed in the contents on any of main pages. Buried. I've been hearing about this memo on Air America for weeks now.

This is the smoking gun, and grounds for impeachment.

It also confirms what I have said in the past about the timing of the call for war being around the midterm elections. All part of a plan to make those elections about "Chould we attack Iraq? If you don't want to you're not patriotic."

So much for our "liberal media."

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andydougan
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We've not had a proper argument in this thread since page 100 or so. Let's try and have one.

I think we should, er, invade, uh, North, um, Korea. Or actually maybe not. [u]Who's with me?!?![/u]

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