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evil_d
Riding through your town with his head on fire

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I will assume this isn't directed at me


You're right, it wasn't. My post was directed more at DragonXero than at you, Drexle; I was just playing off the wording in your post.

I understand that. But my quote was not exactly serious, and really ought to have read "the more ashamed I am to admit to being one." I don't really begrudge that girl for sharing an interest with me -- in fact part of me is glad she has interests at all -- and I don't really care if what she gets out of it isn't what I get out of it, or if other people think that there must be similarities between us. Anyone who we get to know will find out whether there are soon enough, and anyone else is irrelevant.

Try liking punk. When I tell people I do, they may start talking about a wide range of bands, including Green Day, the Sex Pistols, the Ramones, Bad Religion, the Offspring, Pennywise, Nirvana, NOFX, or even Tool. Again, some of those I like, and some I don't. But you don't hear me whining about it, or about the fact that people might get the wrong idea about me because they've watched SLC Punk. I don't take that possibility very seriously.

You have flown over my vocabulary... not in the words you've used, but in the way you've used them.


Another way of asking might be, do you think metal is a more perfect form of music or of entertainment than mallcore? I just asked this question to make people think about it; I'm not really interested in the answer. But I'm sure you can figure out what my answer would be.

It's unfortunate that you have such a narrow view of a musical style wider than '80 hair bands. It's a notion that a lot of metal fans have to dispel on many occasions.


Obviously I'm aware that contemporary metal is much different. I wrote that to illustrate a few points.

First, that most people don't care enough about metal to care what it isn't.

Second, that a greater danger to metal's good name is posed by those stuck in the '80s than by those confusing it with mallcore.

Third, that when you ask me not to call band X metal, or tell me that band Y is, that's the prejudice you're conjuring up in me. Of course it's incorrect, as prejudices generally are, which is why I don't understand this insistence on precise defintion of genres when all genres are is prejudices. And, I might add, it's not your job to evangelize about the truth of this matter any more than it's my job to evangelize about punks (as if I would know) or 'Nate's job to evangelize about his religion or the sort of people who practice it. Just act like yourself and I'll probably get the right impression of you. In time, that impression will come to be totally independent of any stereotypes I may hold. Almost everyone on this site is well along on that track.

DX's ongoing pro-metal/anti-mallcore/pro-division-of-music-into-a-million-tiny-subgenres campaign on these forums is getting to be a little tiresome, especially since it's neither funny nor relevant to the site, and no one around here has ever judged him based on any metal or mallcore stereotypes, nor found fault with his taste in music. I don't understand what he's trying to prove, why he keeps trying to prove it, or why he thinks that we're the people who need it proven to us. DX, I don't have any problem with you personally, I just wish you'd give this subject a rest.

If anyone wants to talk music with me, you know how to get my e-mail address.

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12-18-01 3:40pm (new)
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DragonXero
I'm Here, You're Queer, Get Used to it

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So don't read my posts if you don't like them. Freedom of speech includes the freedom of not reading what you don't want to. They're intended as editorials, not as required reading.

As for punk, I was once into punk music. Bands like the Sex Pistols, the Ramones, the Dead Kennedys and the Dead Milkmen stand out in my eyes. NoFX is on the edge of punk, to the point where I don't consider it punk. Blink182 is pop rock. Offspring is rock. I am like this with all forms of music, including punk, country, classical, and rock.

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12-18-01 3:59pm (new)
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bunnerabb
Some bloke.

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Go look at the goat in the 'CS.com regulars page' forum. It's really a very neat looking goat. I named it "Peaches".

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12-18-01 4:14pm (new)
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DragonXero
I'm Here, You're Queer, Get Used to it

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Silly Goat!

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12-18-01 4:15pm (new)
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Drexle
Your Cure for Lameness

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Awwwww... :)

12-18-01 4:24pm (new)
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ladyjdotnet
Snitcreator

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Waaaaa.

"I can post whatever I like cause you're not the boss of me."

No one said you couldn't post your editorials. Someone said that they were unnecessary, overdone, and boring as fuck, to paraphrase. I happen to agree. It's worse than the goddamned Scottish threads, because there aren't even a handful of people around who CARE what you think is metal and what you think isn't.

Before you get all pissy at me, make sure your hypocrisy checker is switched on, because hey... this is just an editorial, not required reading. :)

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12-18-01 6:20pm (new)
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JrnymnNate
I fling the shoddy polo stick

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Hey- I care. I like any discussion about music because I harbor the same feelings about what "really" is Jazz.
So write on, there are people listining.

12-18-01 7:36pm (new)
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evil_d
Riding through your town with his head on fire

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I could probably write a lot of strips like these. But feel free to exercise that freedom not to read them.

[Click to view comic: 'Taking pride in diversity']

Anyway, thanks to those who supported my feelings about this.

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12-18-01 8:17pm (new)
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Brad
Feature Creep

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The problem with genre labels is that they're completely subjective and therefore a uselessly inaccurate means of identifying music. The moment you can get ten teenagers to agree completely on what any particular genre is, I'll recognize it as an exact science.

What would be more interesting and useful would be to divide music into genres based on actual musical theory rather than some goofy, meaningless term that somebody thought up because it sounded neat. "I only listen to AMINOR3/4TIMEAND126BPM-core, which is music in the key of A minor at 3/4 time and at 126 bpm. You fucking suck!"

The moment any genre is labeled there are immediately people disputing what that particular genre covers. I spent some of my precious teenage years wasting my time arguing about what is or isn't "industrial" and it really got nobody anywhere.

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12-18-01 9:36pm (new)
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KajunFirefly
chooby digital (in stereo)

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It's important to label every style of music, I can sympathise with DX on this one, he's a "Metal-head" or a "Metaller" or whatever, and as soon as he mentions that people assume Linkin Park and Papa Roach, which isn't Metal.

Maybe some of you guys think this post is pointless, and think that his opinions (or the opinions he posts) are wrong, but isn't that the fucking point? THIS IS A DISCUSSIONS FORUM!!!

You know? like, someone says something, then you discuss wether you agree or disagree or whatever, it's generally called conversation in the real world, basically, if you don't like the conversation, walk away from it, hover your mouse over 'Mallcore' and think "no, wait, that's the thread that talks about Metal music, I don't want to read that" and then click somewhere else.

simple

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12-19-01 1:02pm (new)
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ladyjdotnet
Snitcreator

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You know? like, someone says something, then you discuss wether you agree or disagree or whatever, it's generally called conversation in the real world, basically, if you don't like the conversation, walk away from it, hover your mouse over 'Mallcore' and think "no, wait, that's the thread that talks about Metal music, I don't want to read that" and then click somewhere else.

simple


I think DX's contention is that Mallcore isn't Metal. :)

For all I knew, it was about the center of a shopping plaza.

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12-19-01 1:05pm (new)
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KajunFirefly
chooby digital (in stereo)

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Yesterday this was a nice discussion about music, but now it's like a big argument, music seems to be the....uh......I have no metaphor for what it is, but, it makes everyone argue.

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12-19-01 1:10pm (new)
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kramer_vs_kramer
Stripcreator Newbie

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Catalyst?

12-19-01 1:11pm (new)
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JrnymnNate
I fling the shoddy polo stick

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I agree, it's important to label every style of music, or else it will be confused easily. There are real meanings to these names too, it's not just foolishness.

www.allmusic.com has some interesting facts and discriptions about different styles of music, there's even a music map where you can chart the course of a particular style.

12-19-01 1:15pm (new)
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andydougan
Film critic subordinaire

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Only if you promise not to include any mallcore bands.

12-19-01 1:37pm (new)
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wirthling
supercalifragilisticexpialadosucks

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Maybe I should pay attention to the labels. I'm always confusing Beethoven and Godsmack.

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12-19-01 1:39pm (new)
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ladyjdotnet
Snitcreator

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Yesterday this was a nice discussion about music, but now it's like a big argument, music seems to be the....uh......I have no metaphor for what it is, but, it makes everyone argue.


No it doesn't, you fuck.

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Emoticon denoting playful teasing and lack of seriousness.

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12-19-01 3:27pm (new)
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Brad
Feature Creep

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I agree, it's important to label every style of music, or else it will be confused easily. There are real meanings to these names too, it's not just foolishness.

www.allmusic.com has some interesting facts and discriptions about different styles of music, there's even a music map where you can chart the course of a particular style.


You'll notice that searching for "mallcore" only returns Macapet Poetry, Madchester, Mainstream Jazz, Makossa, Mambo, Mantras, Marabi, March, Mariachi and Math Rock. And that "blackmetal" takes you straight to "Black Gospel".

I also did a Google groups search for the word 'mallcore' to see who was talking about it. Maybe there was some informed discussion taking place about its place in the metal world:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=mallcore&hl=en&scoring=d&start=10&sa=N

It's all fighting.

Not to mention that the term "mallcore" has more to do with selling records than anything about its particular sound.

If you had an evil death metal band and for some reason it went on to be in the Casey Kasem's top 10, the kids would call you mallcore regardless of what you sound like.

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12-19-01 3:34pm (new)
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Drexle
Your Cure for Lameness

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For some reason, that site's black metal link is broken... strange.

But this is probably one of the first broad based and extensive sites I've seen that actually knows what the hell doom metal is... I give it accolades for that.

12-19-01 3:53pm (new)
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gabe_billings
President and CEO of Wirthlingsux Inc.

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I have but three classifications. Not only for metal, or even music as it were, but for all things. Granted these classifications are based on personal opinion, but they work pretty well. They are as follows...

Are you sitting down?

1. Things That Suck
examples:Wirthling, cholera, being struck by lightning and/or buses, war, violence, being burned at the stake, anthrax

2. Things That Don't Suck
examples:Puppies, ice cream, flannel, backrubs, smooches, cheese, BMWs, books, sex

3. Things Whose Suckiness Has Not Yet Been Determined
examples:Discrete math, snow, Gerard Depardieu, figure skating

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12-19-01 5:26pm (new)
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DexX
What the Cat Dragged In

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I find the irony of this statement very amusing. You talk about metal's diversity in the same breath as expressing a desire for one form of music to be called something other than metal.

...but irony aside, I would like to mention that these arguments are not restricted to music. As a big fan of movies, I know that categorisation in that field of interest is also next to impossible. On alt.horror I once tried to break horror movies down into classifications, and while I don't recallt it triggering any genuine flamewars, there was a lot of diagreement and subjectivity from everyone involved.

Oh wait, somebody did get flamed... some uptight bitch from another group who must have been picked up by someone crossposting starting mentioning these weird and whacky names that nobosy on a.h had ever heard of and calling us idiots for disagreeing. For example, Halloween is a slasher (or "stalk and slash") but Friday the 13th is a "dead teenagers movie". Not the same subgenre at all, ya see... We chased her out of town pretty quickly.

Music-wise, most of the stuff I like is tough to categorise. Peter Gabriel is pretty odd, as his CDs range from prog-rock, to prog-pop, to world music, to mainstream rock, to mainstream pop, and back again. In general, categorisation of most artistic endeavours seems to be a waste of energy.

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12-19-01 5:46pm (new)
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andydougan
Film critic subordinaire

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Doesn't it depend who's being burned at the stake?

12-19-01 5:52pm (new)
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KajunFirefly
chooby digital (in stereo)

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DexX, don't you have a vote to cast in the "Mystery Cup"??

The suspense is killing me!

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12-19-01 5:52pm (new)
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DexX
What the Cat Dragged In

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I cast mine already.... or is there a new one now?

Sorry, with installing W2K and wrestling with my shithouse modem, I haven't been around as much as usual in the last couple of days.

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12-19-01 5:54pm (new)
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gabe_billings
President and CEO of Wirthlingsux Inc.

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Doesn't it depend who's being burned at the stake?


Even if it was someone you didn't like, it'd probably still be pretty stinky. Especially the hair. You should probably only burn bal...

Hold on.

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12-19-01 7:05pm (new)
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