Now you're just being facetious. Besides, he's not elected.

Neither is Bush.

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Oh, and just in case you still doubt.

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Bush isn't elected? But...but I always thought he was!

More startling evidence.

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What Ashcroft has planned for YOU:

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Hideous lawn ornaments?

That fiend!

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Ham-fisted ham fisting.

Hideous PATRIOTIC lawn ornaments!

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Is that a picture of starving children in post-war Iraq? LOL!

What did Tony Blair say about the casualties of a war with Iraq (total) can't hope to be anywhere near the number of people the current regime's killed over the last 10 years?

I wouldn't trust those guys. One of them looks like fucking Tobor after a crash diet refit.

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Please replace the handset, and try again.

We seem to have failed to stop the war.

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On the bright side, at least Susan Sarandon will be upset.

Support for Bush falls below 50% - not that that made any difference in 2000.

Also, I like the poll on the CNN homepage. Are there only four kids' TV shows?

Bushmail

That Bushmail is a hoot.

The Photographic History of the Bush Administration Putting Its Mouth Where Its Money Isn’t

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They're all too busy sniffing flowers, cooing over baby seals and living in mansions.

That is my daily grind, I tell you.

And only fags wear safty glasses on anything less than a lathe.

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US spies on Security Council delegates.

Also in today's Observer, Nick Cohen discusses one of the arguments that boorite put forward: that the Iraqis are just too ignorant to handle democracy. The full article is here, but the pertinent bit is this:

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Also in today's Observer, Nick Cohen discusses one of the arguments that boorite put forward: that the Iraqis are just too ignorant to handle democracy.

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Apologies for not quoting you directly. Here's what you said. I agree with the first sentence; it's the second I find questionable:

Here's my interpretation of that. If it's inaccurate, I apologise again and await clarification:

1. Democracy entails that the wants of the people are, at some level, reflected in government.
2. If Iraq followed this model, the government would be controlled by Islamists.
3. Therefore, what the Iraqi people want is an Islamist government.

Now, maybe you agree with the above, and just think there's nothing particularly ignorant about desiring a regime that you must know in advance will be extremely oppressive. That, I guess, is where we part company.

I think that people, especially oppressed people, can make mistakes. They might elect leaders who are bad for them. That, however, is their inalienable right. The phrase "too ignorant to handle democracy" doesn't occur in my vocabulary, or else I'd be agitating for UN occupation of Washington. You put that phrase in my mouth, and I don't appreciate it. Now, is there anything unclear about that?

I wasn't even addressing whether the US should or shouldn't permit democracy in Iraq. Of course they should. But they won't, for the reasons given. Maybe it's true that the newly enfranchised would vote liberal instead of installing Islamist leaders. That's not really the nut of it. Because either way, you can bet that any democratically elected leadership in Iraq would also be nationalist. That means Iraqi oil for Iraqis. That's the one thing that Washington can't allow.

So let me ask you something. So what if democracy in Iraq does mean an Islamist government? Does that mean the US shouldn't allow it? That we should go in and install a new Saddam, as we've done before, there and in countless other places? I don't think Islamist/not-Islamist is the crucial thing here. I think common decency demands that Washington mind its own business either way.

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And! You (not I) are assuming that anyone who believes in Islamist democracy is simply "ignorant." But this equation is not so obvious to everyone in the world. There are a lot of people who argue persuasively that Islam is more compatible with democracy than Christianity is. I'm not persuaded, myself, but I don't dismiss them out of hand as "ignorant" either. So please! Go easy on the "interpretation" of what I say.

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Andy, dude! boorite is more liberal than a tree-hugger-on-a-stick! He would never say something like that!