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boorite
crazy knife lady

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Ice, ice, baby.

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10-31-02 2:10pm (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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If you vote for republicans this could happen!

And now a note to all you US citizens.

VOTE!

And make it for democrats this time. Thank you.

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11-04-02 9:25pm (new)
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fuzzyman
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You know, I can maybe understand why some people don't vote. Some people. A small percentage, maybe. But I am astounded that in this day and age a voter turnout of over 50% is considered very good.

Do people just not give a fuck?

Al Gore had a good Get Out The Vote line this campaign: "Anyone who thinks their vote doesn't count should talk to me."

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11-05-02 3:04am (new)
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kaufman
Director of Cats

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If you vote for republicans this could happen!

And now a note to all you US citizens.

VOTE!

And make it for democrats this time.


Unless they're scumbags.

I voted for 4 Republicans today. Or rather, I voted against 4 Democrats.

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11-05-02 6:45am (new)
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andydougan
Film critic subordinaire

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Unless they're scumbags.


Not to narrow it down too much or anything. :)

11-05-02 7:13am (new)
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gabe_billings
President and CEO of Wirthlingsux Inc.

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I vote a while ago. Oregon is cool. You can do it by mail.

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11-05-02 8:06am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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Voting is for pussies.

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11-05-02 8:29am (new)
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kaufman
Director of Cats

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11-05-02 8:38am (new)
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evil_d
Riding through your town with his head on fire

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You know, I can maybe understand why some people don't vote. Some people. A small percentage, maybe. But I am astounded that in this day and age a voter turnout of over 50% is considered very good.

Do people just not give a fuck?

Al Gore had a good Get Out The Vote line this campaign: "Anyone who thinks their vote doesn't count should talk to me."


I've already voted today, because (a) I view it as a responsibility, not just a right, and (b) "if you don't vote, you can't complain". But while I understand that my vote "counts" in a technical sense, mathematically speaking, the chances that the results of any given election would be different if I personally didn't vote or changed my vote are very small, and they get smaller the more important the office is.

Add to that the fact that no matter who you vote for, it's almost always going to be a politician, and it's easy to see how most of the eligible population can get discouraged about the whole process. I mean, even if I do manage to affect the outcome of an election, which is unlikely, I've probably only succeeded in installing the candidate I dislike the least. By and large, I don't think that Americans honestly expect politicians, once in office, to carry out the reforms they (the voters) would like to see, or to look out for the public's best interest. So why bother voting for them? What's that saying about how the only thing a revolution means to the poor is a change in their masters?

Speaking of which, Election Day is always on a weekday. Many people, especially the lower class and working parents, simply can't afford to take the time out of their day, which skews the demographic distribution of those who do go to the polls. Election Day ought to be held on a weekend and/or made a national holiday. Or, at the least, every citizen should have the opportunity to vote in advance or without having to show up in person. I understand some countries actually fine their citizens for not voting, although I think I'd draw the line there, since not voting can be a legitimate political statement as well.

As for Al Gore, that fiasco only underscores the reasons why voting doesn't matter. Gore won the popular vote and he still isn't president. If our government won't even put people in office when we do elect them, why should we take half an hour or more out of our day to play make-believe? Besides, Maryland's electoral votes went to Gore by a wide margin. He didn't miss my vote. Not that he was ever getting it in the first place.

I don't think that low voter turnout is a mystery at all. And I can't say I really blame anyone for feeling that it's not worth their time.

I vote for third-party, unaffiliated, or write-in candidates whenever I have the opportunity (and assuming they're not total crackpots), and I encourage everyone else to do the same. Besides the fact that it's ridiculous to think that every one of the millions of US citizens can have his or her interests adequately represented by one of two similar political belief systems, I think that having several realistic candidates from whom to choose would at least alleviate many of the problems that keep so many American voters away from the polls. So please help make it happen.

Homework: go watch that Simpsons Halloween episode where the aliens come down and hijack the US presidential elections. It's funny 'cause it's true.

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11-05-02 9:35am (new)
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Devin
Comic Overlord

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I stopped voting.

I noticed a ridiculously strong correlation between me voting and me getting jury duty.

Anyone else gets jury duty at six-month intervals?

11-05-02 9:45am (new)
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JrnymnNate
I fling the shoddy polo stick

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My birthday is the seventh, which means although you'd think I'd be voting this year, I'm a few days late for it.

Oh well. I really don't know what's going on anyway.

Which is a pain because my dad is having me research the house races for my own good.

I think I'm a nihilist now.

11-05-02 10:01am (new)
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andydougan
Film critic subordinaire

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evil_d hit the nail on the head.

The essay on his website about why it's not a vote for a "third party" that's a waste, but a vote for a lesser evil, should be required reading for anyone intending to vote negatively.

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I stopped voting.

I noticed a ridiculously strong correlation between me voting and me getting jury duty.

Anyone else gets jury duty at six-month intervals?


Yes! Twice in a year! The first time I wasted three days in a courtroom and it never even came to a trial. So I didn't show up for the second one, about a month ago. If they were going to fine me they probably would've done it by now, right?

...Right?

11-05-02 11:46am (new)
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Mr_Jass
Stripcreator Regular

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ALL YOUR VOTE ARE BELONG TO US

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11-05-02 1:56pm (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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Of course I would rather everyone voted the way I did because I'm a flippin genius that can see inside the souls of mankind and know evil from good yadda yadda.

But in all honesty what I want most is for every eligible person to VOTE. I have some notion that the greater the pool of people that actually go to the polls, the harder it is for propaganda to force the outcome. Maybe it's a hangover from hearing Power to the People to many times as I grew up.

By the By...
Election day was set to the first Tuesday in November so that farmers could ride into town and vote. That ride could take all day and another day back. Throw in a night of drinking and a day to recover and you're talking about a real time commitment. So they had to wait until the harvest was in. And they wouldn't travel on Sunday.

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11-05-02 9:49pm (new)
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wirthling
supercalifragilisticexpialadosucks

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I voted for a Republican today. Sure, he was running unopposed for "Register of Wills," but I'm rather proud of my new bipartisan spirit. I think maybe tomorrow I'll throw a rock at a Spotted Owl and see how that feels. This is very exciting!

Actually, I'm halfway between fear and eager curiosity about the prospect of Republicans finally getting control of all three branches (let's face it--they own the Supreme Court, too).

The fear is due to the fact that I think it's distinctly possible that Republican rhetoric put into law will rapidly accelerate the decline of American civilization. We're also likely to see an increase in wars (which won't affect me directly but is likely to affect a lot of innocent bystanders who don't share my good fortune in being a white, suburban, middle-class American), legislated religion, and legislated faux patriotism.

On the other hand, I am honestly curious to see if what they've been saying along about certain issues--primarily crime, taxation, education reform, and welfare reform--is correct.

I see six distinct possibilities for our near future here in the U.S.:

1) GOOD: The Republicans are right and always have been and eveything will turn out great and all of us hippie fags will have to apologize for not recognizing the truth earlier. We live, we learn, we move on happily into a new golden age.

2) GOOD: Not every conservative idea works out like they thought it would but their new position of responsibility leads a majority of those in power to bring a mature approach to decision-making and thus they constructively work out what works and what doesn't, perhaps along the way finding some sense of compromise with or acceptance of ideas they formerly spat upon (e.g. drug decriminalization, maintaining a safety net, ensuring all kids get properly educated, and so on).

3) SORTA GOOD, SORTA BAD: A sizeable chunk of the Republicans will be driven towards the middle by the zealotry and short-sightedness of the right wingers who are suddenly power-crazed, so we'll end up with a government a lot like it has been for decades (sorta bad), except that the right-wingers will get frustrated and head off to wacko third parties where we'll never hear from them again (sorta good).

4) BAD SHORT-TERM, POSSIBLY GOOD LONG-TERM: They'll get their way, everything will go to hell in a handbasket, and Americans will vote for Democrats or third-party candidates like crazy in the future, saying "Remember what a pile of shit our country became when the Republicans were in charge? What were we thinking?!" The demise of the GOP might not necessarily lead to a rosy future (I lack confidence in the Democrats to fix what might be fixable), but if the Republican ideas prove to be bad, at least those bad ideas can be weeded out of the discussion in the future.

5) BAD: It turns out that "Republican ideas" is an oxymoron and not much substantive happens, but Republican leaders like Dubya do a good enough job pushing Americans' emotional buttons while we distract ourselves with Julia Roberts movies and new wireless gadgets so that we don't notice a gradual downward slide (worse than before) of society and keep voting them into office again and again and it's too late to fix it by the time enough people realize what's gone wrong.

6) VERY BAD: Satan will thank us for finally opening the gates of hell and will consume all of our souls for all eternity.

At this point, I'm not sure which alternative I would bet on.

Feel free to place your bets or offer some alternate scenarios...

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11-06-02 1:34am (new)
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fuzzyman
Alpha Geek

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Best bets -- 4 & 5.

Hey, 5 just happened. I am convinced that the reason the Iraq issue came out of the blue late this summer is so that Dubya and the Republicans could keep attention off the lousy economy.

Clever, dangit. And it worked.

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11-06-02 6:11am (new)
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UnknownEric
and the Goblet of Mountain Dew.

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My wife and I wrote myself in for Maryland Comptroller. Schaefer better watch his ass next time, cause maybe I'll get a couple of my friends to write me in too! Wooo! I'm a political rebel! ;)

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11-06-02 8:42am (new)
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attitudechicka
is never bored.

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I voted yesterday, but I found a secret loophole to what a little old man tried to explain to me about voting. He told me that if you didn't vote, you couldn't complain about how the government works. And if your candidate gets elected, then you still can't complain because you voted for the jackass. Therefore, I've decided that if I always vote for the least likely candidate, I can complain about everything. I voted lib. My vote didn't make a difference, but at least they won't increase the tax on cigarettes.

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11-06-02 8:46am (new)
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wirthling
supercalifragilisticexpialadosucks

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I just realized a corollary to this one. Rather than fear of right-wingers, perhaps the Republicans are driven to the middle by their desire to pander to the mainstream to keep themselves in power. They'll only do what they perceive that the public supports, so things will remain pretty much as usual. This will still result in the right-wingers getting marginalized, which is good, even if the status quo is bad.

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11-06-02 9:17am (new)
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wirthling
supercalifragilisticexpialadosucks

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I just realized a corollary to this one. Rather than fear of right-wingers, perhaps the Republicans are driven to the middle by their desire to pander to the mainstream to keep themselves in power. They'll only do what they perceive that the public supports, so things will remain pretty much as usual. This will still result in the right-wingers getting marginalized, which is good, even if the status quo is bad.


I also just remembered something that might support this scenario. Most (if not all) of the Republicans who won in Maryland yesterday based much of their campaign ads on support for things like education spending and gun control. It was difficult to tell the Republicans apart from the Democrats. That's no surprise to some, I'm sure.

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11-06-02 9:58am (new)
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andydougan
Film critic subordinaire

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Nah. Think about it. Morons are the group most likely to be influenced by propaganda. Most people are morons. Therefore, the more people that vote, the more likely propaganda is to affect the outcome.

There's probably a flaw in that logic, but I'm too moronic to spot it.

11-06-02 1:10pm (new)
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DexX
What the Cat Dragged In

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Nearly a decade ago, now, the Australian state of Victoria held an election. The Labor government (no, I have no idea why they spelled it without a U) had tried a whole lot of risky things, and none of them had worked, so the Liberal party (they're conservatives, don't ask me why they are called that) won in a huge landslide, capturing a majority in both the House of Reps and the Senate. Jeff Kennett, perhaps Australia's most hated politician in history, held a marathon Parliamentary sitting as soon as possible, and rammed through his whole agenda without even a pretence of debate.

Within 24 hours of being sworn in, he had broken literally 80% of his campaign promises.

By the time his first term ended, he had broken 100% of his campaign promises.

This has to be some kind of record...

Anyway, Jeff sold off everything. He closed a third of our public schools. He closed a quarter of our hospitals. He privatised our electricity, gas, and water. He initiated a new freeway system, but auctioned it off to the highest bidder - it now carries such high tolls that most people can't afford to use it.

Getting the picture? When the right wing gets an unopposed grip on a government, BAD SHIT HAPPENS.

I am sure that the next two years of US politics will be remembered as some of the worst in your nation's history.

Have fun.

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11-06-02 9:01pm (new)
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dcomposed
C3H5N3O9

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Arghhh! a ghost!

It must be an evil ghost, check out the comic count.

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11-06-02 9:06pm (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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An open letter.

Dear World,

Jesus fuck! Terrible things will not only continue, but will escalate. Many of us did our part to stop it, but evil has won again in America.

Hold on. It's going to be a rocky decade.

Signed,
The Middle Ground

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11-06-02 10:23pm (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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11-06-02 10:40pm (new)
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