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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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Getting out the vote

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11-06-02 11:03pm (new)
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kaufman
Director of Cats

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11-07-02 7:20am (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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[Click to view comic: 'oily oily oxen free']

The last part was just for fun.

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11-07-02 8:02pm (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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Should the military be given the names of every high school student in America? No. Just those who like the idea of war.

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11-07-02 8:46pm (new)
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Mr_Jass
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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11-07-02 8:55pm (new)
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Spankling
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Coincidence ... or Modus Operandi?

Lawyers and Republicans

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11-11-02 9:18pm (new)
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Spankling
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Bush's America

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11-12-02 9:26pm (new)
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andydougan
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11-18-02 4:38pm (new)
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Spankling
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This should be talked about on every major news channel.

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11-20-02 9:07pm (new)
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andydougan
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Twentieth century British history has two very clear examples of how fervent people can be about war as long as they aren't personally at risk. After WW2, a conflict in which hundreds of thousands of Britons died, Churchill was voted out of office. After the Falklands War, in which 250 died on our side (including, crucially, no civilians), Thatcher was re-elected by a landslide.

Lesson: have lots of wars, but make sure only people on the other side actually get killed. Instant electoral support!

11-21-02 6:55pm (new)
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DexX
What the Cat Dragged In

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An article written by one of our former Prime Ministers, taken from here.

Bombs, what are they good for? Absolutely nothing
November 22 2002

Destroying all weapons of mass destruction would be a decisive move in the fight against terrorism, writes Paul Keating.

John Howard said in the House of Representatives last week that "the ultimate terrorist nightmare would be if weapons of mass destruction were to fall into the hands of Osama bin Laden and his cohorts". I couldn't agree more. The threat that terrorists might launch attacks on our cities is real.

Howard went on, however, to draw from that threat the conclusion that "efforts must be sustained by the nations of the world to remove from the hands of people who might capriciously use them, weapons of mass destruction".

He was obviously preparing ground for an argument that a unilateral attack on Iraq is the same thing as war on terrorism because Saddam Hussein's suspected weapons might fall into the hands of terrorists.

In fact, terrorists are likely to find their weapons in more familiar circumstances - from fissile material leaking out of the insecure stockpiles in the former Soviet Union, or, as we almost certainly saw with the anthrax attacks in the United States last year, from within the American defence establishment itself.

But Howard's use of that word "capriciously" was revealing. It suggests that sober, thoughtful, non-capricious use of such weapons could be contemplated.

And the idea that underpins such thinking comes to the heart of the problem for me. It is based on the notion that somehow we can keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of irresponsible and dangerous people, while maintaining them for the right sort of people - people, in other words, like us and our allies.

We are probably now stuck with the phrase "the war on terror", but it is a dangerously misleading metaphor for the dangers we face. It conjures up images of a clear enemy, fixed battles, military or intelligence solutions and, at the end of it all, an unconditional victory over our opponents.

Instead, we are engaged in a long struggle on many fronts against shifting groups and individuals. To prevail, we need better intelligence gathering, more effective protective security, military action in some cases, civilian aid in others.

But as important as any of that, we need to engage in the struggle for ideas. Unless we address the circumstances that spawn the recruitment of terrorists, we will never succeed in stemming their rise.

We could begin by acknowledging the way in which the world has changed but how the structures of power haven't.

The world is still set up on the model which existed in 1947 and it is not run co-operatively. From the UN to the IMF to the G8, it needs a root and branch change, one that acknowledges more fairly the weight and interests of particular countries and regions. India, China and the Middle East come immediately to mind.

And if we are to have any hope of confronting the universally acknowledged danger of more states acquiring nuclear weapons and terrorists getting hold of them, we have to accept that that means getting rid of them for everyone.

If we take the view that some may have them but others not, where is the line to be drawn? Who will be judged a "capricious" user, and who not? Saddam Hussein? Kim Jong-Il in North Korea? America's friend General Musharraf in Pakistan? Israel? And what future tin-pot dictator?

So long as some nations reserve the right to have nuclear weapons, others will ask, "Why not us?" And there is no defensible answer to the question. The only way is to get weapons of mass destruction out of everyone's hands.

Nuclear weapons were devised as weapons of indiscriminate destruction. They do not discriminate between military targets and civilian populations. It is why American battlefield commanders refer to them as "junk". Because they are weapons that such commanders will never get to deploy. And why would they when the US has such hegemony in weapons of accuracy which can surgically take out military targets within built-up civilian populations?

We no longer keep nuclear weapons to contain the Soviet Union and they cannot and do not deter terrorists - they can only entice them. It is why many Americans now ask "well, why have them?".

The penny seems never to have dropped for the American Right. US dominance with weapons of accuracy and its overwhelming capacity to project power is allowed to be levelled down by any punk state or terrorist group that decides to develop, or is able to obtain, a crude nuclear weapon.

Nuclear disarmament itself is already a solemn commitment of the five declared nuclear powers. One made under the terms of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, a bargain struck with the non-nuclear states to halt the spread of weapons in return for the weapon states working towards their elimination.

This goal will not be easy. It was never going to be easy. But it must happen. It requires intrusive inspection regimes and, as we see with Iraq, a willingness by the international community to back up commitments with force. But nuclear weapons are not needed. They are the biggest of all accidents waiting to happen.

It was exactly these issues that caused the government I led to commission the Canberra Commission report on the Elimination of Nuclear Weapons. The first practical de-nuking document in the world. A report since pigeon-holed by the Coalition.

When the commission reported in 1996, it based its practical and realistic recommendations on the fundamental assumption that "the proposition that large numbers of nuclear weapons can be retained in perpetuity and never used - accidentally or by decision - defies credibility. The only complete defence is the elimination of nuclear weapons and the assurance that they will never be produced again."

Since the Canberra Commission report, India, Pakistan and now North Korea have signed themselves into the nuclear club. More will join.

Australia has no nuclear weapons of our own but we have two particular strengths that give us standing in this debate. The first is our solid alliance with the United States. The second is our effective national experience in arms control, and particularly nuclear and chemical weapons control. There are few contributions we could more usefully make to the struggle against terrorism.

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11-21-02 9:07pm (new)
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bunnerabb
Some bloke.

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Ever try and get the toothpaste back into the tube?

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11-22-02 4:22am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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The knot will never come undone
Mercy shall be granted none
There isn't anywhere to run
The masterpiece is done
The war has won

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11-22-02 6:53am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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Here is the Boston Globe story referenced in the above article about W's military service record.

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11-22-02 7:18am (new)
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andydougan
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Is the above Paul Keating the same one from this interview?

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INTERVIEWER: I read you were pretty friendly with former President Suharto, is that correct?

KEATING: Yes I was.

INTERVIEWER: Did you have a very good rapport? How did that relationship come about? It seems that you are two very different types of people.

KEATING: He has a very shy and introverted character, Suharto, very shy, but entirely dedicated to the notion of nation building.


This guy sounds pretty cool.

11-22-02 9:18pm (new)
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Spankling
Looking for love in ALL the wrong places, baby!

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Why was Ronald Reagan famous?

Frisk n' Vote

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11-22-02 9:18pm (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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....Suharto...! urgh.... must... fight... urge to... rant...

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11-23-02 10:43am (new)
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Spankling
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Democrats Twice As Likely to Die In Crashes

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11-23-02 3:42pm (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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The "twice as likely" thing isn't persuasive because the sample is too small. We have 6 deaths: 4 Democrats and 2 Republicans. The fact that one is double the other is what we call a "statistical artifact." If you flip a coin 6 times, and you get 4 heads and 2 tails, you won't impress anyone. If you do it 6,000 times and get 4,000 heads and 2,000 tails, then you've got something.

Otherwise, the article is surprisingly interesting. At first, I thought, why bother killing Wellstone? He's so outvoted on everything that he's scarcely a factor. But I hadn't thought about his role as whistle-blower. Plan Colombia is a nasty, nasty thing. And lest we pin it all on the Republicans, I'll point out that Clinton was very gung-ho about it.

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11-24-02 9:44am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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The clean war in Afghanistan. Not too gory, but don't read it if you're prone to nightmares.

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11-24-02 5:23pm (new)
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andydougan
Film critic subordinaire

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Please, not on my account.

11-24-02 6:22pm (new)
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andydougan
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I don't get it. What exactly is the implication here?

11-24-02 6:26pm (new)
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andydougan
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Bah! No pictures?

11-24-02 6:27pm (new)
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andydougan
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Good article by Nick Cohen in today's Observer. Well, the second half of it is good, anyway. It's about the anti-war movement: and while Cohen supports a war on Iraq, I have to agree with a lot of his points about the left-wing opposition to it. And it reminds me of an unfunny story.

I attended a supposedly anti-war demonstration and rally a few weeks ago. Following a musical interlude featuring "War: What is it Good For?" and "Give Peace a Chance", a guy led the crowds, without any sense of irony, in a chant of "Victory to the intifada!". Later, one Arab speaker denounced Ariel Sharon as a worse murderer than Saddam, Milosevic and Hitler combined.

The mainstream of the "anti-war" movement is not against war at all. In fact, its sole tenets are leftism and an opposition to Western foreign policy no matter what, and I'm becoming embarrassed to be part of it.

11-24-02 6:54pm (new)
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Spankling
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I don't get it. What exactly is the implication here?


Do Kennedy's brains have to fall in your lap to get it?

Just kidding. And I am convinced that many dems are in on the republican take. Clinton was a different president than Bush. Better. But not VERY different.

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11-24-02 8:05pm (new)
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