Foxbat's comments remind me of what I was saying back in the day.

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Move along. Nothing to see here.

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What others say about boorite!

Speaking of politics, how about that Senator Amidalia?

Rrrow!

Damn, I'd like to pass a vote through HER electoral council.

Okay, I just pulled that out of my ass. Just as I'd like to pull ben-wa balls out of her ass.

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

You talk that way some more about Darth Vader's woman and he's gonna crush your skull.

I doubt that whiny gimp could crush a gnat's skull.

I knew someone would get around to calling me a Hitler so I have prepared my defense in advance. I don't like Hitler or KKK or racists. Usually I would rather hire someone to do the fighting for me, because the whole point is I want to live, but I would pick up a gun and fight the Nazis. That's because nobody is going to tell my I can't be friends with anyone I want based on race. To be a racist is stupid and suicidal. Think about it. If you're choosing up teams on the basketball court, do you have a better chance of winning and holding the court if you pick all the WASP people or pick all the BEST people? And life is much more serious than basketball, if you lose the court you're dead. Also, if I see a pretty black girl, you're not going to tell me I can't ask her out. So hitler can get farked.

Also hitler is a perfect example of my pet peeve. He pretended it was all for some glorious cause. Of course Bush is doing that too but at least he's not asking me to commit suicide by being a racist.

Anyone can see what happened to the Nazis!

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Let's not kid each other.

I should be clear it's not just that the Nazis wouldn't let you be friends with a Jew or whatever. The way I wrote it makes it sound trivial. I mean this is a whole COUNTRY that made slaves out of its best people and then killed them.... that is not only homicide (which all nations are guilty of) but suicide.

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Let's not kid each other.

Hitler wanted to expand Germany's territory and resource base, which is exactly what you say America should be doing. He wanted Germany to be the dominant country on the planet at the expense of all others. This is what you say America should be aiming for.

It's what all countries do, or else they get run over. Name one that doesn't and I will show you somebody's doormat. But Nazi Germany was pointlessly murderous and cruel, and I would never put up with what they did, or who knows, if I was in Germany in the 1930s maybe I wouldn't have known any better. But you must see a difference between taking over a country and the holocaust?

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Let's not kid each other.

You seem to think the Holocaust was the only thing the Nazis did. They invaded countries. Lots of countries. For the same reasons you're giving for the invasion of Iraq.

I think it's pretty clear Foxbat is an agent provocateur.

I dunno. I've been reading a few weblogs etc, and it seems there are some scary right-wing people in the US who genuinely believe some of this shit.

My last paycheque stank. Thanks for the permission to break into your house and help myself to whatever I need, or even gunning down you and your family to help line my pockets.

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Please remember to spay and neuter your elected representatives.

Do you know what you're saying?

Can you possibly be serious?

What you're saying is that we as Americans have the right to barge in and take what we need right now, for the short-term benefit of our economy.

Never mind how many people get murdered in the process.

Never mind how maany things get blown up and how much more fucked up the economy gets from it in the long run.

No matter how much of the world's finite supply of oil is destroyed due to it.

But it doesn't matter how many people we kill because they're furrners, they're A-rabs and other subhumans. They don't count.

It doesn't matter what we do because we need the oil now to fill up your ultra-obese monster SUV to go down the street, leaving a trail of smog between here and the supermarket.

It doesn't matter what that does for the future because once you're dead and gone, you don't give a rat's ass where this planet goes.

Because you are a self-centered asshole who doesn't give a shit about anything outside of eyeshot and more than a week away.

There may be legitimate reasons to fight Iraq, but the one you provided is certainly not among them. It is shallow, ethnocentric, and unjustifiable by any rational line of reasoning. You can't even think of people who happened to be born on other patches of land as human or worth anything. Pathetic.

Is that really what you're saying?

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Hey guys, don't strike at Foxbat TOO hard. He's providing you with the arguing that you've been itching for!

Can't recall anyone pushing the Swiss around. Must be all those pocket knives.

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet

Public support for a war can't be the deciding factor on whether there should be a war. The threat posed to that public should be the deciding factor. We were bombed, had planes driven into buildings, and had mail tainted with anthrax. It appears Saddam, a nasty, murderous mob-boss is working hand in hand with the men who planned those things. U.N. inspections have been failing miserably for ten years. It's time for the offended party to go in and fight. That's human history, human nature. And it is sometimes inevitable.

And if you think public opinion should REALLY dictate whether we go to war or not, then by all rights the American Revolutionary War should never had taken place, seeing as how less than a third of Americans supported it.

/me feels woozy. (What a sanctimonious diatribe I just rattled off. Someone get me a bottle of Rum, STAT!)

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Ham-fisted ham fisting.

Western public opinion is irrelevant here. The public of the UK twice elected a New Labour government, so their judgment is clearly impaired.

If you have some evidence to show this, you should report it to the UN immediately.

What is beyond doubt is that the CIA and MI6 worked hand in hand with the men who planned 9/11 to arrange attacks against Libya in the 1980s. Would it, then, in your view, be morally legitimate for Libya to attack the US?

Yes!

Wait... NO!

Wait... (damn logic)

This is why I never reply to this thread... Go back to your discussion and forget I ever blighted it with my misinformed ramblings.

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Ham-fisted ham fisting.

Its not so much that we(the brits) wanted New Labour to win in 97, more that we wanted the conservatives to lose, and in the last one they were the better (well maybe not) of two evils, and the tories were hardly up for it with their xenophobic policies. Damn this two party system, whats the alternative, vote liberal democrat? Bit hypocrytical of me this since I didnt vote in the last one, I was praying for a "Brewsters Millions" situation, where neither party got any votes, wouldnt that be cool? bah. I hate politics, and I hate it especially more when 2 of the richest countries in the world are warmongering against the fourth poorest (i think it was just pipped to last spot by Ethiopia and some other starving war ridden countries) War is bad, it doesnt take a brain surgeon to work that out, someone please pass the message on to George and Tony. What I would like to know is whether there are any objective jounalists left in america? Most seem to just buy into whatever crap the present administration is selling at the moment.

Brewster's Millions? That was a weird movie.

I'm glad I didn't have to point that out on my own.

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet

The peace march in Seattle was inspiring even if it was one of the small ones (20k or so). I hope this leads to greater participation by the silent majority of peaceful people. It wasgood to see military families out there on our side!

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet

Just a quick question for the opponents of war: suppose, somehow, we could be certain that an invasion of Iraq would entail an end to absolutism in the country and a guarantee of democracy for its people. Would you still oppose it?

The anti-war movement, whatever its intentions, condemns the Iraqi people to living indefinitely in a prison state. Yesterday's protests might have been more commendable if they had been less about avoiding war and more about promoting democracy in the Middle East. In my highly important view, an invasion would be justified if the result was likely to be a liberated Iraq. I suspect the Stop the War coalition, and many at this site, would not support it even then.

Sadly, this seems unlikely to be the case. But if, against all evidence, the US does permit democracy in post-war Iraq, we opponents of an invasion will have to eat our words.

For the opinions of those who will actually be affected by war, see puk.org.

I'm with andy on this one.

They are going to war for the wrong reasons. All the reasons Foxbat reams out are the reasons and they are fucking twisted and egocentric at the level of nations.

If we could depose Saddam in favour of a properly instituted democratic system of government and that the war was only about that then I might lend my support to it.

The sad thing is that the war is not noble and it is not altruistically motivated. It is about flexing our capitalist muscles and bullying and really showing the rest of the world that we are not to be fucked with.

That blows.

George and Tony can suck my cock if they think that I or any of the other intelligent, hard-working citizens in their respective nations will support an action which is entirely egocentric and selfish.

Foxbat is an idiot for being blinded by the bullshit propaganda which claims that bullying is a good thing.

Look at the irony here. Britain wants to bully Iraq whilst working within their education system to eliminate bullying in schools.

Bullying other people for fun or their lunch money is wrong but bullying other countries for their oil and to show how big and clever they are is right?

Don't make me laugh.

One day I might even get off my soapbox and stop ranting like an angry fool when we can educate people like Foxbat that these things no matter what scale they are on, are WRONG, just plain WRONG.

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My nuts look disturbingly like cooking apples. Should I see a doctor about it?