Indeed. Thank you for helping me get in touch with my assanine nature.

Gee, does that ever sound familiar. Same old good-cop bad-cop routine the Dems bring out every election year. When will people learn?

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Again, you didn't answer my question. You just gave me some "good cop, bad cop" bullshit. In supporting Nader all you're doing is help Bush secure a second win. Kerry may not be a great President, but I have a feeling he'll be a safe, stable one at least. Considering our choices, I'll go with the safe, stable, wishy-washy one over the psychotic, corrupt, jingiostic cowboy who was a former drunk and cokehead who found Christ again and now wants to start a crusade here and abroad so we all find Christ again.

Nader will never be President. The parties are changing anytime soon. Sometimes you have to make compromises in order to stop a greater evil, and that's never been more evident than now.

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Oops. That should be... the parties are *not* changing anytime soon.

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I assumed your question was rhetorical, since it was so facile that the only possible answer could have been to refer you to my previous post.

No, the Democrats are helping Bush secure a second term by failing to provide an actual alternative. You know -- one who actually represents the interests of the average American rather than a few wealthy campaign contributors.

That's a given, but irrelevent. Who votes only for the candidate they think is most likely to become president?

Sure it has. It was evident when Reagan was the bad guy. It was evident when Bush Sr. was the bad guy. It is the same argument the Dems haul out every election year in order to cow the disgusted and disillusioned into upholding the status quo.

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Nader is a fucktard, just as he always has been. But someone answer me this:

What are the origins of the name Nader anyway? It sounds like a really obscure sex term for a penis or something.

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What's not valid about my question? You say you're for Nader. Nader drew enough votes away from Gore in battleground states in 2000 resulting in Bush getting the disputed election. He seems primed to do the same thing this election. I draw the logical conclusion and say that you would be comfortable with Bush winning again, as long as Nader gets enough votes and teaches the Dems a lesson. Is that incorrect?

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Here's the problem though. Mainstream America is unfortunately so fucking conservative nowadays, that a true leftwing candidate like Howard Dean would not be able to win the election if he were on the ticket. Sad to say, it does take a bit of a wishy-washy person to win over all factions of the Democratic party. Without giving any solid stands on issues, the voting public is unsure whether he's a conservative Dem, a moderate one or a liberal one... thus making sure he ensnares all three voting factions. After he's elected is when he can start making risky and courageous stands on issues like stem-cell research, gay marriage and our foriegn policy which is in shambles right now (and which Kerry would undoubtedly be more apt to handle than Bush).

I think you're being a bit unfair to the man, in saying he caters to his campaign contributors. He has talked about labor reform, wants to raise the minimum wage, fix the sad state of healthcare, and of course, get rid of these stupid tax cuts for the rich. If you want to see someone catering to a campaign contributor look no further than Dick Cheney and Halliburton. That's catering if I ever saw it...

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People who want to make a difference in the election. Besides, did you even read the article at the beginning of this thread? Nader is just a big a sell-out and a phony as the rest of them nowadays.

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Let's be frank here... there's never been a bad guy like this one. This is the, bar-none, worst President in the history of our country. Do you disagree? If so, please point to another one who has done as much damage on so many different levels. If we have another four years with this guy, there may not be an America left to save.

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One point:

Howard Dean is not a true left-wing candidate. Kucinich was. And both of them were corny and white.

God help us all.

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(snipped stuff which is basically true) As long as it isn't costing them votes, they aren't going to change.

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Issue this man a staff, a robe and a mountain to sit upon.

Welcome to the aftermath of having the trappings, if not the spirit, of everything all of those "stupid smelly hippies" in the '60s tried to accomplish sold back to you at Wal-Mart.

So.. how's the scenery in "the one true America", these days, kids?

No worries. Fuck who's running things or how badly. Just play along and maybe you can get a new Scion with a bitchin' stereo and a MasterCard!

Woo hah.

Suckers.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha....

*sigh*

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I wanted my half in the middle and I wound up on the edge.

Boorite is right. Vote for Nader! ;)

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If Kerry wins, I wonder what all you Nader-bashers will have to say when he invades Iran. ;)

Hey, at least Iran REALLY did have a link to Al Qaeda! :-D

Maybe ole Bush got confused in the war-room. Iran... Iraq... it all sounds the same to him.

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Maybe I misunderstood the question before. I guess the short answer is "no", I don't care whether either a demopublican or a republicrat wins as long as both parties remain completely corrupt and unreformed. Many of the founding fathers believed that political parties were beneath contempt to begin with. Turns out they were right. American democracy is broken hella bad as a result of our knee-jerk reliance on them.

"Left wing, right wing, it tastes the same to me."
-- accidentally insightful KFC slogan.

I'd actually like to see a staunch Moderate in the big chair for once. But then we couldn't have this bogus liberal/conservative dichotomy that keeps everybody prostrating themselves before one of the corrupt major parties for fear of the bloodlettings and kidnappings of small children that will ensue should the opposing camp win.

Granted, Bush is an imbecile. No argument there.

True, but the Democrats do not have a great record themselves. How many opportunities for real campaign finance reform have they passed up? And how many thousands of good, skilled jobs have given way to crappy service jobs on thier watch? We are being sold out big-time by both major parties.

Ever seen the engineering staff of a typical American corporation. More often than not it looks like a meeting of the United Nations -- you'll see a huge number of first generation immigrants and sons and daughters of well-heeled foreign nationals. I have nothing against these people; in fact we'd be a bananna republic already without thier education and skill. But it is revealing that so few Americans can attain these positions themselves nowadays. Outsourcing of labor has lowered material costs, but the costs that matter (notably education) are only rising. Ask a democratic congressman or senator if he cares. Chances are his friends and family will all be wealthy lawyers and big-time corporate dynasts. He'll have a fat stock portfolio built on outsourced labor at sweatshop wages. Behind the placating rhetoric he will be laughing at you.

Alternatively, he could be seen as sticking it to the man with his own weapons. I admit that view is kind of desperate. The whole state of American democracy is desperate.

Well, there was that one guy... that, uh... O.K., George W. Bush is bad. Really, really bad. I admit it. A hyracephalitic orangutan would make a better president. But I've been burned too often by the empty promises of the democrats.

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I was gonna send a robot back in time, but I got high.

I wish I had the presence of mind to say half of the things, here on this thread, that Zaster has said with eloquence and shaken-out-of-one's-sleeve lucidity.

I don't think that this person ever mistakes a few trees for a forest.

Well done.

And a great read.

Thanks.

Now if Zaster could just be swayed towards the lesser of the two evils...

heh...

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I'm voting for Ted Nugent this year. Unless the cats can convince me to vote for Selina Kyle. My family is divided on the issue.

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Boorite, you constantly remind me of why I love you.

It's fucking hopeless, people. Anyway you look at it, it's fucking hopeless. I read an article amidst all the masturbatory Reagan articles in the "Remembrance" issue of Newsweek that showed how much good ol' John Kerry admired Reagan and sought to teach Democrats to be more like him.

Come on, now. No one who actually gets into the coveted Presidential seat will truly give a shit. Fuck Kerry, and Fuck Bush. They're all leading us down a path to hell.

Now I see why George Carlin threw his hands up. It's all a fucking joke.

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Correction, Mikey. While Bush is definitely leading us to Hell, I believe Kerry will only lead us to purgatory. I'll take the latter over the former, thank you. :)

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Inflat employs a universal principle (which btw was expounded by Thomas Paine): Any reasonable person confronted with a choice between two evils will choose the lesser. Kerry, in my arrogant opinion, is way the lesser. I am boorite, and I approve this message.

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What others say about boorite!

BUT, what about the lesser of THREE evils? Or four?

Kerry might be the lesser of two evils, but that margin between them gets smaller and smaller as time goes by. He's a Democratic Reaganite for Christ's sake! We don't want to be led down THAT path, either?

The point is, I don't know WHO the fuck to vote for.

Hell, maybe I'll vote for Bush. Always bet on the sure thing.

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Mikey... if you voted for Bush I would take you off my favorites and never talk to you again. Fo' real, dawg!

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God, you HAVE to know me better than that. I would NEVER vote for Bush. I may not vote at all, though. That's the truth.

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That's fine. Apathy (not voting) is a lot better than evil (voting for Bush). As that Garafalo girl said "voting for Bush at this stage could be called a serious character flaw". Or something like that. You get the idea.

Anyway, I kinda knew you were joking and so was I.

:-| mAAk will never get on dee favorites tho... he is too busy going down on dee Bush and dee Dick.

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I'd vote for Bush if another four years of bullshit would finally put those assholes (figuratively) in the ground for good.

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boorite that's something I've actually thought about.

A part of me feels it would almost be better in the longterm if Bush got re-elected... after another four years of new wars and general fucked-upness from the Bush administration I think his approval ratings would drop to Carter lows and there would be a liberal backlash in the country, just as there was a conservative one after 9/11.

The thing is, while that might be better in the long-term, I'm not sure I could survive the short-term.

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