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Inflatable_Man
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You should probably read this...

[b]Nader Accepts GOP Signatures for Ballot

Mon Jul 19, 6:02 PM ET

By KATHY BARKS HOFFMAN, Associated Press Writer

LANSING, Mich. - In an about face, Ralph Nader (news - web sites) decided Monday to accept thousands of petition signatures collected by Michigan Republicans if that's the only way he can qualify for the state's presidential ballot.

Last Thursday, Michigan Republican Party officials submitted 43,000 signatures — far more than the 30,000 needed — to ensure Nader could appear on the ballot as an independent. Republicans began collecting signatures after it appeared that Nader might not get on the ballot as the Reform Party's candidate for president.

Nader's campaign had turned in about 5,400 signatures. But spokesman Kevin Zeese said it stopped collecting them a month ago after the national Reform Party endorsed Nader and it looked as though he could get on the ballot as its candidate.

But there has been a growing dispute over who controls the Reform Party in Michigan. One group claiming to be the legitimate Reform Party of Michigan plans to nominate a presidential candidate for the ballot at its state convention Saturday. Chairman Matthew Crehan, of Muskegon, Mich., has said there is no guarantee Nader will get that nomination.

A group headed by John Muntz, of Wyandotte, Mich., which also claims to be the legitimate state Reform Party, already has nominated Nader for the spot on the state ballot. Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land has said she can't accept that nomination until the dispute over who controls the state Reform Party is resolved.

Zeese said the goal is to get Nader on Michigan's ballot — however it happens.

"We're going to continue to pursue the Reform Party, but we're not going to close off the independent option at this time while the Reform Party has not decided" who is in charge, he said.

Michigan Democratic Party leaders have asked Nader to refuse the signatures, saying Republicans want him on the ballot only to draw votes away from Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites).

"We urge Nader to reject this Republican political trick and demonstrate that he is still a man with great integrity who honors his own beliefs," Michigan Democratic Executive Chairman Mark Brewer said.

Zeese initially said last week that the campaign would refuse the GOP signatures. He later said he wasn't sure that was still the case if it turned out state officials wouldn't accept the Reform Party nomination.

Brewer said Nader's decision not to withdraw as an independent will force the party to file a federal election complaint against Nader's campaign and the Michigan Republican Party, which it contends exceeded a state political party campaign limit of $5,000 in helping Nader get on the ballot.

State GOP Executive Director Greg McNeilly said last week that the party didn't exceed any campaign spending limits because it collected most of the signatures through volunteers.

Democrats also plan to check the validity of all signatures and challenge any they find in error. Any challenges must be filed by Thursday afternoon.

"A close inspection of the petitions revealed numerous instances of petition fraud made by Republican Party staffers," Brewer said Monday in a statement. [/b]

As someone who regrettably voted for Nader in 2000, I shake my head in disgust at the length he's gone to this year when the election is already this tight, the fact he doesn't care for those he claims to represent and the extent of his egomania. I'm usual all for candidates who run independantly, but this election everyone who wants to defeat Bush should freakin' vote for a candidate who CAN defeat Bush. Ralph Nader is not going to win, so what's the point in supporting him? *sigh*...

I seriously think that Ralph Nader the crusading consumer advocate has been body-snatched and replaced by an alien who wants to ruin his reputation. It's already ruined in my book.

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7-20-04 8:20am (new)
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UnknownEric
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Honestly, it depends on your state and what's more important to you, voting your conscience or voting out Bush. I voted Nader in 2000 and I'm not sorry, because I still lived in New York and Gore took NY by a fair margin. If Kerry has a substantial lead in Maryland this year, I may vote Nader or Libertarian or some other wacky small party, just because I'd really rather if NEITHER Bush nor Kerry were President. But if forced to choose which candidate to be anally raped by, I'll choose Kerry because at least he uses lube.

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7-20-04 9:14am (new)
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Inflatable_Man
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Yeah... I guess my post is aimed mainly at people who live in swing states like Michigan. However, even though I live in Mass which will surely pick Kerry either way, I still couldn't bring myself to vote for Ralph after he accepted GOP help to get on the ballot. How can he not see that he's helping the very people he claims to be at odds with? As for Kerry, the lesser of two evils... yeah, I'm not too keen on him either, but I'll deal. Better an ordinary President than the dangerous, sociopathic one we have now. At least Kerry only killed a couple VC in 'Nam, compared to the thousands of Iraqis and hundreds of American troops Bush has murdered. Kerry is only diet-evil. Not quite evil enough. ;-P

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7-20-04 9:35am (new)
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MikeyG
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I don't even know what to do anymore. Our votes really don't mean shit in the first place, so it doesn't matter. I am just saddened that Ralph seems to be so desperate for this bid.

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7-20-04 9:44am (new)
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Inflatable_Man
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Depends where you live. If you live in a red or blue state, you're probably right. No, your vote doesn't mean shit. If you do live in a swing state though, just remember we lost Florida in 2000 by a little more than five hundred fucking votes. That's like my extended family.

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7-20-04 10:58am (new)
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UnknownEric
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Yeah, I don't really get his motivation this year. He made some good points in 2000, but he seems to be moving away from these points and into the Ross Perot land of "Dammit, I wanna run for President and you can't stop me!"

If I don't vote Kerry, I'll probably end up voting Socialist Workers Party or something else like that.

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7-20-04 11:12am (new)
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possums
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I'm saddened by his idiocy! He can't even notice that the GOP is trying to get him on the ballot to take votes away from Kerry! What a dolt.

7-20-04 11:43am (new)
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Inflatable_Man
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He probably notices. He just doesn't care. He's too self-absorbed and deluded.

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7-20-04 12:07pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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I've donated to Nader's campaign. I'm sure he'll do great things for this election. ;)

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7-20-04 12:12pm (new)
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Inflatable_Man
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See? Now do you see?! A vote for Nader is a vote for MaKK!

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7-20-04 12:28pm (new)
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MikeyG
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A vote for anyone is a vote for MaKK in his mind. He'd find a way to justify it in his little head.

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7-20-04 12:31pm (new)
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UnknownEric
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I honestly don't believe Nader will be as big of a factor this election as he was in 2000. He has no momentum, many of his voters, seeing what damage Bush has done, will back Kerry this time, and he has no real platform. Running on the same "there's no difference between the two major parties so vote for me" isn't going to hold the same resonance as it did in a pre-9/11 world.

I predict 2% nationally at best for him. And I don't think it'll be as close between Bush and Kerry as it was between Bush and Gore (although, sadly, I'm not sure which of the two will be on the business end of the drubbing).

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7-20-04 12:40pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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You're right, 2% won't make a difference! Go vote for Nader! ;)

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7-20-04 12:47pm (new)
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NooniePuuBunny
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Nader is a fucktard, just as he always has been. But someone answer me this:

What are the origins of the name Nader anyway? It sounds like a really obscure sex term for a penis or something.

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7-20-04 8:49pm (new)
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Inflatable_Man
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Is the Nader *big* enough to effect the election?

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Ah.. heh... ha.... I got nothin'.

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7-20-04 9:59pm (new)
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Kr0n1c
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Nader=throwing away vote

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7-21-04 1:00am (new)
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AtheistDiary
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7-21-04 1:56am (new)
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boorite
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Wow, AtheistD, that image really got me thinking.

Yes, yes, we know about the GOP's love for the Nader "spoiler" factor. For me, it's a dead issue. Here in the Republic of Maryland, Bush will not win. Cast your vote for Tom Hanks or Tom Cruise or Tom Thumb or Tom's Thumb Up Your Ass-- Bush will not win Maryland.

Those of you in swing states have something to think about, though.

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7-21-04 6:36am (new)
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Zaster
Wait for it...

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A vote for either of the Big 2 political cadres these days is a vote for resuscitating aristocracy (by empowering ivy-league schooled career politicians and families of wealthy business dynasties), and it's also a vote for shrivelling the middle class by encouraging the continued flight of good jobs overseas. I won't waste my vote on either element of this endless good-cop bad-cop routine.

Maybe after the Democrats lose enough enough elections on account of Nader they'll go back to being a viable alternative to the republican party again.

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7-21-04 6:54am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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Let's start with that.

You think we're RESUSCITATING aristocracy? I hadn't noticed it was in cardiac arrest! No, I think it's alive and kicking the shit out of us!

You think WE are EMPOWERING these sons of bitches? Good lord, they already have power! An Ivy-League degree IS power! That's just for starters! These guys have more power in their jacket buttons than you have in your whole wardrobe!

We're hosed!

So vote for Kerry.

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7-21-04 7:31am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
VOTE JEB BUSH 2008

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You all know Nader actually stands for something! Vote for him! ;)

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7-21-04 7:37am (new)
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Inflatable_Man
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So Zaster... in order to punish the Dems you think we should have another four years of King Bush? Is that your line of thinking? Because if it is, that's a long way to go just to prove an assanine point. There will be other times to reform the Democratic party. Right now our first priority should be getting a madman out of the White House.

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7-21-04 7:39am (new)
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boorite
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OMG MaaK is in the White House??

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7-21-04 7:46am (new)
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Inflatable_Man
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.... uh...

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Sure. Why not.

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7-21-04 7:52am (new)
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Zaster
Wait for it...

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Yeah; its like that -- only worse. It isn't enough that Shrub & Kerry get Ivy League diplomas and a batch of skull-and-bones contacts to help them along the fast-track. But then the rest of us can't afford to send our kids to college at all because every time we retrain for a decent paying career, the entire industry packs up and ships out, leaving us to scrabble for jobs as forklift operators and greeters at Wal-Mart. That's the new aristocracy. And the Democrats don't care. Repeat: The Democrats don't care. They are doing thier best to convince us its for our own good, rather than the good of thier own fat-cat campaign contributors. As long as it isn't costing them votes, they aren't going to change.

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7-21-04 8:07am (new)
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