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MikeyG
Shoots the shit and often misses

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I rather think you should cite joo joo for having such intimate, if not immediately obvious, knowledge of your deeds.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

4-08-05 6:24am (new)
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areallystupidguy
Poison Gas Pokemon

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If none of you fine chaps have read joo_joo's other work, I highly reccommend it. The same caliber of high brow, open-to-interpretation situations and stunning dialogue that has made "Brad's Dad?" an instant classic is flourishing all over his comic library.

He introduces such lovely characters as Biggie Dolf, who is "startin unwanted troubly". He analyses the very depths of the human psyche with the Phils In Town series, a gripping drama about deceit, love, and the common American family.

That's only scratching the surface of the vast psychological treasure to be found joo_joo's 12 comics. Someone could truly spend a lifetime analysing these. Definitely a must-read.

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It's grime time.

4-08-05 4:11pm (new)
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fuzzyman
Alpha Geek

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joo_joo is humble yet enigmatic in his profile:

Definitely not likes evertone!

I suggest we engage in a thorough examination of the subtext and subtlety in this gem:

[Click to view comic: 'Pier The Prick']

Where to begin? First, lets look at our protagonist. His name is Pier, as in a platform extending from a shore over water and supported by piles or pillars, used to secure, protect, and provide access to ships or boats. It's an odd name for a person and most obviously symbolic. Pier, you see, represents a transition or passage: The female Change of Life. In hormanal angst he lashes out at the man in the mask.

Note that his attack is unpunctuated and therefore unfinished. There is more to come, but the man in the mask quickly cuts him off and reveals the ancient truth. We all blame our mother -- the ancient Earth Goddess, for it is indeed all her fault.

In the last panel the two asian girls standing in a field of pur white Heaven Light, representing the servant Nymphs of the Earth Goddess, explain that it is fucked up. Indeed it is, for if it were fucked down, we would be on an eternal downward spiral. No, we are fucked up, going ever upward, climbing Jacob's ladder until we achieve the ultimate Truth, represented by the three black dots in a yellow field.

It is nothing less than the Holy Trinity. The Earth Goddess, you see, is Catholic. That is joo_joo's astounding secret message to all of us.

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...Trot and Cap'n Bill were free from anxiety and care. Button-Bright never worried about anything. The Scarecrow, not being able to sleep, looked out of the window and tried to count the stars.

4-08-05 6:40pm (new)
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kaufman
Director of Cats

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Wait! Before we go on to the new comic, I haven't taken my turn!

Fuck of course is the lovable little "wehn a man loves a woman" chap. "You been" is grammatically nonsense, so it's most likely a typo. Probably meant to write "ewe bean," but got caught by a fascist spellchecker. Doin of course is the dwarf who stayed home due to a cold during The Hobbit -- he was the kid brother of Oin and Gloin. And then we get to the genius of the comic.

Asshole.

For over a quarter century, that word has been associated with one man above all others, fellow named Brad, from Rocky Horror Picture Show. So joo_joo's smacked us with a most nasty pun in panel 1 -- we were thinking that the character on the left was Brad, and the one on the right was his dad, but in reality it is the other way around. Don't judge a book by its cover!

So translating the first line, we see that Dad is warning Son that wehn a man loves (fuck) a sheep (ewe) so much that he gives it head (bean), he will likely wind up short and stumpy and sickly and with hair growing on unlikely body parts (doin).

But he ends it with a question mark. He's not completely sure. Is he relying on his son's experience to confirm what he thinks? Is Brad short and stumpy and sickly and bearded?

Before we can find out, joo_joo throws us another curve. "You're mother." But he's also father. This is obviously homage to Heinlein's All You Zombies, in which the protagonist is his own father and mother (hint: it involves time-travel and sex-change surgery). Which means, following the analogy, both characters are the same person, making the pun in panel 1 even tighter!

This is confirmed in panel 3 when both characters have completed their change of orientation. The author is practically boasting how Brad is Dad and Dad is Brad and he is mad and we are all together. See how they smoke like pigs in a poke, see how they fly.

I am dieing.

It gets better. In panel 3, we learn that he was Doin the dwarf, with Brad's mom (himself). To be smoking afterwards. He is so many people, and so confused that he spontaneously combusts. Once Brad allows four-panel cartoons, we'll see the payoff -- two burning fire props, where he/she/they/we all caught fire.

Brilliant!!!!!

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4-08-05 7:39pm (new)
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areallystupidguy
Poison Gas Pokemon

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On Pier The Prick:

I heartily agree with fuzzyman's statement! The Holy Trinity in that last panel never occured to me! It's good that we have a place to discuss these great works at and share ideas.

The part about the lack of punctuation with Pier's insult is very interesting. It should be noted that Pier's victim's (PV's) statement also bears no punctuation. While on first glance it can be effortlessly interpreted as a statement, where we instantly gather that PV is blaming his mother and various genetic traits which he inherited from her for making him ugly, I think it could be beyond that.

You see, PV is tormented by inner demons. His ugliness has apparently been haunting throughout his life, most likely granting him lots of abuse at school and elsewhere. He is so horribly scarred by his torment that he now wears a mask to hide his face. He has been blaming his mother his whole life on his awful physical appearance. However, perhaps Pier's comment has finally made PV see the light and stop shoving the blame onto others, wondering to himself as he looks up to heaven: "I blame my mother?"

Maybe Pier represents the emotional pier to set PV out into the ocean of emotional and mental recovery. An ocean where, on the other shore, lies redemption, and forgiveness of the one who gave birth to him. PV will learn to live with his appearance and his troubled past on his voyage, or he will sink even further.

And of course, a vast bit of irony lies in the strip's title. Maybe Pier is a prick, but he's a prick that could have inadvertently turned someone's life around, so that's certainly good for something. Maybe the heaven scene in the third panel is for Pier, not PV?

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4-08-05 8:03pm (new)
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MikeyG
Shoots the shit and often misses

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I think, fuzzyman, areallystupidguy, that before we move onto some of joo joo's lesser-known yet equally valid masterpieces such as "Pier the Prick" (the title alone sets off excited explosions of curious glee in my head), we should wrap up the "Brad's Dad?" conundrum.

Since not a single theory in this thread is any less viable than the next, we are posed with a question.

Which one of us has aligned themselves with joo joo's original intent the most?

I say FEH to that question and have a better solution to the problem. We must combine the best and/or most insightful aspects of each theorem and weave it into a single hypothetical tapestry. This will provide us with a brand-new, interwoven definition of "Brad's Dad", which may offer even deeper insight to the genius of joo joo.

Nay, I say ONLY by combining the best of each theory is it even POSSIBLE to attain ANY level of true understanding of the art at work here, seeing as how joo joo is on such a higher plane of perception that only by combining our collective intellect can we hope to extend a hand towards that apex.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

4-08-05 8:05pm (new)
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kaufman
Director of Cats

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Two images of Pier talking to the masked men. Two Asian girls who will sell thei bodies for a mere pittance, just five dollars apiece.

I forget which mathematician proved the great theorem that 2 = 2, but it has yet to be contradicted. This comic shows the law of conservation of pictures of Pier and of little Asian hussies.

Subtract two from each side, and you're left with the conclusion:
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.
.
.
.
When you're out of sluts, you're out of Pier.

Brilliant.

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ken.kaufman@gmail.com

4-08-05 8:19pm (new)
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joo_joo
Stripcreator Newbie

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Seriously guys, you all had great opinions on the comic, but as a the author of this comic... yes it does actually explain the stuff about the Illumni stuff.

The quaotes were taken out of context and some were modified for example;

I didn't say: Fuck you! been doin?
I saidL: "Fuck you been doin?"

there was no exclamation point between the 'you' and 'been'.

Any ways I'm still a newbie so any critism i geuss is good.

Cya

If you guys like bitchin alot, check this out:

[Click to view comic: 'Through Hell And Back']

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(:) WarRior (:)

4-09-05 1:21pm (new)
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flipynif1
Aparently a Creep

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YAY! I like telling people to fuck off

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4-09-05 1:29pm (new)
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fuzzyman
Alpha Geek

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This supports Kaufman's dwarf theory, to some extent. If the punctuation is

"Fuck you been doin asshole?"

On the other hand, it may represent the secret acrony of the Furry Federation, FYBDA, which stands for, "Furries Yiff But Don't Associate."

Brad, a mammal, mockingly informs the dinosaur of this secret code. The intended irony is that the dinosaur is not furry, but will be replaced by furry things: Mammals.

The dinosaur responds with a revelation. "You're mother" or "You are mother." He startles Brad with the news that dinosaurs are in fact descended from mammal-like ancestors.

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...Trot and Cap'n Bill were free from anxiety and care. Button-Bright never worried about anything. The Scarecrow, not being able to sleep, looked out of the window and tried to count the stars.

4-09-05 2:15pm (new)
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joo_joo
Stripcreator Newbie

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Yeah, but still...

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4-10-05 2:05pm (new)
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joo_joo
Stripcreator Newbie

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This comic is way too deep...

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4-10-05 2:08pm (new)
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fuzzyman
Alpha Geek

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I think we need to move on to this one:

[Click to view comic: 'Pier The Prick']

My assessment (from earlier):

quote:

Where to begin? First, lets look at our protagonist. His name is Pier, as in a platform extending from a shore over water and supported by piles or pillars, used to secure, protect, and provide access to ships or boats. It's an odd name for a person and most obviously symbolic. Pier, you see, represents a transition or passage: The female Change of Life. In hormanal angst he lashes out at the man in the mask.

Note that his attack is unpunctuated and therefore unfinished. There is more to come, but the man in the mask quickly cuts him off and reveals the ancient truth. We all blame our mother -- the ancient Earth Goddess, for it is indeed all her fault.

In the last panel the two asian girls standing in a field of pur white Heaven Light, representing the servant Nymphs of the Earth Goddess, explain that it is fucked up. Indeed it is, for if it were fucked down, we would be on an eternal downward spiral. No, we are fucked up, going ever upward, climbing Jacob's ladder until we achieve the ultimate Truth, represented by the three black dots in a yellow field.

It is nothing less than the Holy Trinity. The Earth Goddess, you see, is Catholic. That is joo_joo's astounding secret message to all of us.


areallystupidguy went on to say this:
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I heartily agree with fuzzyman's statement! The Holy Trinity in that last panel never occured to me! It's good that we have a place to discuss these great works at and share ideas.

The part about the lack of punctuation with Pier's insult is very interesting. It should be noted that Pier's victim's (PV's) statement also bears no punctuation. While on first glance it can be effortlessly interpreted as a statement, where we instantly gather that PV is blaming his mother and various genetic traits which he inherited from her for making him ugly, I think it could be beyond that.

You see, PV is tormented by inner demons. His ugliness has apparently been haunting throughout his life, most likely granting him lots of abuse at school and elsewhere. He is so horribly scarred by his torment that he now wears a mask to hide his face. He has been blaming his mother his whole life on his awful physical appearance. However, perhaps Pier's comment has finally made PV see the light and stop shoving the blame onto others, wondering to himself as he looks up to heaven: "I blame my mother?"

Maybe Pier represents the emotional pier to set PV out into the ocean of emotional and mental recovery. An ocean where, on the other shore, lies redemption, and forgiveness of the one who gave birth to him. PV will learn to live with his appearance and his troubled past on his voyage, or he will sink even further.

And of course, a vast bit of irony lies in the strip's title. Maybe Pier is a prick, but he's a prick that could have inadvertently turned someone's life around, so that's certainly good for something. Maybe the heaven scene in the third panel is for Pier, not PV?


kaufman said this (though I'm trying to excize iffrom my mind with a fork):

quote:

Two images of Pier talking to the masked men. Two Asian girls who will sell thei bodies for a mere pittance, just five dollars apiece.

I forget which mathematician proved the great theorem that 2 = 2, but it has yet to be contradicted. This comic shows the law of conservation of pictures of Pier and of little Asian hussies.

Subtract two from each side, and you're left with the conclusion:
.
.
.
.
.
When you're out of sluts, you're out of Pier.

Brilliant.


Let the analysis begin!

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...Trot and Cap'n Bill were free from anxiety and care. Button-Bright never worried about anything. The Scarecrow, not being able to sleep, looked out of the window and tried to count the stars.

5-01-05 4:37am (new)
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Inflatable_Man
Heart stopper. Hip hopper. Pill popper.

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FUCK! How come I only saw this thread today??!

Guess I was too busy doin assholes and rolling tobacco with Brad's mom. :-(

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5-01-05 8:27am (new)
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Inflatable_Man
Heart stopper. Hip hopper. Pill popper.

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[Click to view comic: 'Keith and Kethel PT.1']

Kaufman has some explaining to do.

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Destroying my reputation one post at a time.

5-01-05 8:31am (new)
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shank
What the bleep do we know?

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holy fuck....

5-01-05 7:33pm (new)
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CowTipper
Impressionable Adolescent

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I'm not Freudian expert, but I'm surprised that no one has suggested that the subject of Pier's comments represented by the chopping block character suffers from a type of Oedipus complex.

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5-02-05 6:29pm (new)
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CowTipper
Impressionable Adolescent

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Oops. That could be interpreted as, "I'm not a Freudian expert," or, "I'm no Freudian expert." The choice is yours.

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5-02-05 6:32pm (new)
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JESUSSANDWICH
is a wonderful person

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[Click to view comic: 'Doug The Demented']

This one is obviously about a child who is confused about his gender and searching for his place in the world but to no avail. Which ultimately leads his to a destructive path.

The stick figures is a representation of his gender confusion beacause it does not look a man or a woman. The kangaroo is the deteiroration of his psyche to the point of violence.

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5-08-05 11:44am (new)
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drawinger
well now

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hohohoohhahahahahahah!!
you're so unfunny,it's funny

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5-30-05 11:19am (new)
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Tterb
doesn't even try anymore.

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Drawinger, you and your comics suck.

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horray for life. boo.

5-30-05 2:08pm (new)
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BigFrank105
Obsessive Comic Disorder

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Tterb couldn't have put it better.

5-31-05 10:12pm (new)
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fuzzyman
Alpha Geek

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Actually, drawinger's comics are brilliant under the covers. Take this example:

[ Posted comic does not exist ]

Now, at first glance it would seem to be an unfunny steaming piece of crap. But if you look deeper, it's realy about how there is evil in all of us -- even Jesus and squirrels.

It only takes a little push to move us over to the dark side, just like Anakin Skywalker. Here's the realizagtion that even Jesus is evil at the core shocks the evil inner squirrel to the forefront. In fact, the evil inside the squirrel is so strong that the skin of the squirrel almost can't contain it. The squirrel expands to ten times it's original size. Yes, the dark side of the force is strong in this one.

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...Trot and Cap'n Bill were free from anxiety and care. Button-Bright never worried about anything. The Scarecrow, not being able to sleep, looked out of the window and tried to count the stars.

6-01-05 2:47am (new)
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lima
FIREBOMB THE ORPHANAGE!

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I am afraid to say that i simply don't agree with these analysises of 'Pier the Prick' as a Jacobean, Neo-Philosophical piece. Granted, Evertone is entitled - and is expected - to have their own reading of such an open piece of work, but i happen to believe that my own reading - the reading that hath been percepted unto thy work thateth is there unto the page - describes the scene, and the protagonists, with a higher degree of accuracy.

I believe that the character 'Pier' represents the americanisation - or westernisation - of europe. As we can see from the imagery of Pier - the beret, the black poloneckial attire, and the ee-that-is-unto-belongeth-to-thy-goat style beard, that Pier represents a frenchman.

With this knowledge in hand, we can then start to analyse Pier from the standpoint of one who is standing unto the comic. That is, looking at it whilst trying not to tread on it.

Pier's francability - or, his ability to be french - brings into question his name itself. 'Pier' is not a french name, but 'Pierre' is. However, 'Pierre' is difficult to pronounce in the english language. If one - an english one - were to take the name 'Pierre' and pronounce it how thereunto/fore sayeth as in thy thou pronunctieth as if thy were english (i.e. if an English person, or a person hailing from the land of the americas between the British Commonwealth Nation of Canada, and the Skittish Cock-All-Wealth State of Mexico, were to pronounce the name phoenetically) then they would have trouble pronouncing the name in its true sense, or form, or neither.

Basically, 'Pierre' when pronounced properly, in a proper language, sounds like 'Pie-ruh-ree'. This pronunciation is, of course, fucking stupid.

And so what do we do?

We

In order to make the name not sound 'fucking stupid' have to make the name different. An englishman, or a man who is, or speaks, english, comma, fullstop. Cannot make him/herself sound inferior by pronouncing the name Pierre wrongly - i.e. in French - and has to shorten the name to something which is thereunto pallatable to the english language but still sounds like the wrong/french/johnny-foreigner version.

Behold! We now have Pier unto thereus.

The shortening of the name 'Pierre' or 'Pie-Ruh-Ree' to 'Pier' can be seen to represent the americanisation of european culture simply by its discardisisisiation of the last two letters.

Now, hereunto goeth doth with the secondary protagonitht. For he doth know. Oh yes, he doth.

The second character - the dude with the big massive mask - can be said to be representing the american. The American is portrayed as a masked killer. This is a metaphor for the gung-ho attitude of the American far right, especially in relation to countries which are not american. There are many countries which the americans seem to see as their enemies. Among these evil nemesis nations are The African Nation, The United States of The Rest of The World, Vietnam, The Union of Soviet Socialist Rapscallions, Canada, France and Paris. The last three in this list have a large population of people which are French. According to the average american's knowledge, about 20% of Canadians are french, 100% of people from France are french, and a large percentage of Parisians are french ex-pats. This is not to be confused with the real Paris, which is in Texas.

The dude with the mask is like, really scary, dude. This scariness relates to the aggresiveness of the americans. The fact that the scary guy has his big weapon out a lot of the time can be seen to represent the enourmity of the porn industry in america. However, this is not an important piece of information in the piece.

So, thus-far, we have the Americanised Frenchman and the Bastardised American. So what of the dialogue?

The Frenchman's use of the word 'Dude' is an obvious symbol of his americanisation, perhaps because of the close proximity to the American in the comic, as well the countries of France and Paris's close proximity to the fifty-first state of America: Airstrip One.

The American's refusal to kill the frenchman on sight can be said to be a harsh political reading of the current post-global situation in the world. The Americans are currently appeasing the french in all their cheese-eating and surrendering. As a representation of unto this hereth doth perspire, the American simply ignores ol' frenchy's attack and blames it on his parents. This could be seen to be an attack, by the author, on the author's parents or indeed the generations that have preceeded the now.

As is historical fact, the preceeding generations of americans actually helped the french. In 1916 (two years late) they kicked Germany and Austro-Hungary out of the newly-vacated-nation of France. In 1941 (two years late again) they helped kick Germany, Austria and Italy out of the vacated-again-quite-quickly-nation of France. In the early nineties the American nation of Airstrip One also assisted the french by building the Channel Tunnel. This tunnel would help the french run away quicker if they were invaded again.

The blamation by the american of his parents shows his distaste for these events, as now all he wants to do is kill the frenchy. Indeed, he refers to only his 'mother' when describing his parents. This shows the girliness of previous generations of his family and his country.

The last frame in the comic shows two Native Americans. These Native Americans are usually mistaken on the site stripcreator.com for being two Japanese schoolgirls. This mistakalakability could be said to show the ignorance of the americans about their own past. However there is a much deeper and accurate reading to be had.

This reading will come after i, Lima, have had a cigarette.

The smoking of my cigarette doth symbolicness unto thy charmingness go. And we say 'aye'.

6-01-05 9:14am (new)
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Chaplin
Member - Tobor Fan Club

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Whoa.

You all are making up psychology and sceintific theories on the "Deep" comics that some should say is unfunny. But if you don't mind I'll like to take a Stab at putting reality into fictional characters made by pencils and pens.

*ahem*

I read too much of this. I forgot how this started.
My theory is they all suffer from some mental phobias.

Pier suffers from not wanting everyone to think hes weak so he bullies and picks on others to hide away his emotions.

The ChoppingBlock character Suffering Social Phobia
([url=http://www.saviodsilva.net/ph/6.htm][/url])
In where hes too afraid to defend himself or say whats on his mind so he blames what could be a sweet mother.

And the original comic posted the Dinosaur prouably has Caligynephobia or Fear of Beutiful women because I'm geussing FrozenBrad's mama isn't that sexy so he gets what he can gets.

And FrozenBrad may have Neophobia or Fear of Anything New like a Dinosaur screwing his mom.
Or he could have Herpetophobia also known as Fear of Reptiles because well the thing banging his mommy is a Dinosaur AKA a Reptile.

And last but not least in "Doug the Dememted"
He has Monophobia or fear of being alone because he seems to make freinds that he wants and don't have inside his head or...
Thanatophobia whitch is Fear of Death or Dying because he sorrounds himself in Others dying or protecting him from the Grim Reaper with Uzi carrying Kangeroos.

Once again psychology solves everything...
Except my obsession of B&W Comedians.

-Chaplin-

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