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I'm annoyed, not suicidal.

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Hire someone to shit in her purse.

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but make it look like a robbery gone wrong

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what if nigger meant kite

Geez...you have one of those stupid, girly diaries? To solve your problem, just induce alcoholism. Its perfectly healthy and conditions you for your ball and chain.

--S. Dummie

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Geez...you have one of those stupid, girly diaries? To solve your problem, just induce alcoholism. Its perfectly healthy and conditions you for your ball and chain.

--S. Dummie

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I would, except that I'm overseas in a dry zone, and even if I could find alcohol I'm under direct orders not to drink.

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It was such a waste of everyone’s time and money that even the Tokyo stadium’s rape robots apologized– something they were programmed specifically never to do.

I thought that military guys had some kind of a shack where they all went to drink after a long day of holding up a gun and looking impressive. At least, that's what Hollywood has lead me to believe.

Also, while we're on the subject of "girly" things, there was a news report about firefighters, police officers, and military men having counselors on TV the other day (following a story about a car accident that killed all 6 passengers of a minivan). I personally feel that the media has no right to expose these kinds of things. I know they're out there, most of you see things that are too tragic for the rest of us to take and if you don't talk about it, it'll haunt you forever. But I don't think it's good to just put it out there, it will likely make us normal people, who work in offices and the worst action we see is a pencil penetrate a soda can with our office guns, think differently about the people who serve and protect us. Like the military is weak -- after all, no one had counselors after WWI or WWII. So why put it out there for the world to judge?

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That's because Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome wasn't recognized as being a serious problem until after Vietnam.

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It was such a waste of everyone’s time and money that even the Tokyo stadium’s rape robots apologized– something they were programmed specifically never to do.

So in other words, you don't really care if people think you're weak for having psychiatrists and counselors on hand? You don't care what the country you're serving thinks of you and you feel that it is their business that these counselors are in place? I don't think it's anyone's business but the people who need them. It creates a distorted image of the military as well as law enforcemnt and fire protection back home. These are people we trust our lives with, but would we be so trusting knowing that they're getting counseling because they go a little crazy sometimes? I certainly wouldn't want a fireman who served in 9/11 to rescue me from a burning building, he could have a flashback and leave me lying there in the flames. Do you see what I mean?

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Why would anyone think that? At worst they might think of our troops as human, which is a far cry better than what they're portrayed as now; maybe we wouldn't be so eager to let Washington send them meaninglessly off to the slaughter in that case.

It's more likely people will think less of those who stigmatize the mental health industry after all, for believing that steaming plate of crap Tom Cruise has been serving up.

Sounds like an "If I close my eyes, maybe it will go away" reaction. Yes, it's their business on an individual level, but denial of the problem as a whole is even more unhealthy.

Huh? How is the image that they're human with human frailties distorted? Painting a false picture of them as superhuman automotons is the true distortion.

That's what we're getting either way, and as scary as the truth is, is obstinate denial preferable?

If that firefighter were declared fit for duty by competent evaluators, I don't see why you'd have to worry.

Your post seems to be carrying (possibly unintentionally) the undercurrent that there is no place in society for our traumatized firefighters, soldiers, etc, many of whom have done so much for us. Sad.

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This "war" (conflict at best) is causing all sorts of problems. There was a time when we wanted, nay, needed to not think of our men as humans. At least not ordinary humans. We needed to think of them as supermen, capable of destroying 50 Nazi battalions flying solo. We needed to make heroes out of our soldiers.

Now, we need to see them for who they are. Genuine people who are making selfless sacrifices in a war they may or may not agree with. Regardless of how they feel about it, they are a new kind of hero. They may not be supermen, but they have bravery unmatched by your ordinary person. These aren't people who just got sucked up into this whole fight, they volunteered so that the rest of us wouldn't have to be drafted.

On the other hand, we have the bad apples. The "Let's point at their weiners while we're smoking" types. Those people cause more trouble to the troops than anyone else. Shut up Bush, you're not suffering because that bitch decided those pictures would be funny. HCRoyal is. My friends Mike and Martin are.

It's one thing to say you "hate the war but stand by the troops", it's another thing to mean it. Most people who say that are just wishy-washy assholes who want to save face and keep themselves from getting a martine boot in their asses.

Being a hero carries a heavy burden. If someone can't handle that burden, that's no reason to feel bad for them or say they're bad people. Shit, they're probably still better than the rest of us.

I just get sick when my buddy and I go out, and he's wearing his uniform, all he gets around here is sneers and yells of anger. It's not his fault Bush is a tool and it's not my fault that my best friends are brave. These shitheads are the same ones who say they support the troops but not the war publically.

Bah. I don't know where I'm going with this. Military = Good. Current war = bad. Current president = Monkey. HCRoyal = A good man with a girlfriend who needs to shut the fuck up and give him some goddamned peace.

This is why my friend Mike dumped his girlfriend.

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i think they should put it out but with percentages. if they say 3% of soldiers see a counselor, thats alot different than saying 70% do. they should make it clear so people don't jump to conclusions one way or another. i bet the soldiers who don't see one are pissed if their portrayed as seeing one, machismo being what it is

i would guess HCRoyall has seen one. its not easy being overseas and having gay thoughts about 2 cowboys talking about gravitons

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what if nigger meant kite

Why would anyone think that? At worst they might think of our troops as human, which is a far cry better than what they're portrayed as now; maybe we wouldn't be so eager to let Washington send them meaninglessly off to the slaughter in that case.

It's more likely people will think less of those who stigmatize the mental health industry after all, for believing that steaming plate of crap Tom Cruise has been serving up.

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You've never met a midwestern redneck, have you Ken?

Sounds like an "If I close my eyes, maybe it will go away" reaction. Yes, it's their business on an individual level, but denial of the problem as a whole is even more unhealthy.

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Sounds more like HIPPA. A person's medical history is their business, soldier or civilian.

Huh? How is the image that they're human with human frailties distorted? Painting a false picture of them as superhuman automotons is the true distortion.

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But they almost have to be, don't they? In order to gain our trust and keep it? Showing any sign of weakness could cost you your life. Case in point, a Kirkwood, MO officer was dealing with a case of fireworks in St. Louis county near the 4th of July (where fireworks are prohibited in St. Louis county at all times of the year). Apparently this officer had a bad reputation with the black community in that area and a young man--pretty much still a boy shot him. I can't confirm that he was actually harrassing the black community or not, but he showed weakness in that moment and now he's gone.

That's what we're getting either way, and as scary as the truth is, is obstinate denial preferable?

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I can't answer that question because I could argue both sides.

If that firefighter were declared fit for duty by competent evaluators, I don't see why you'd have to worry.

Your post seems to be carrying (possibly unintentionally) the undercurrent that there is no place in society for our traumatized firefighters, soldiers, etc, many of whom have done so much for us. Sad.

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Actually, I'm not trying to. I was asking HC if he could see what I meant by that quote, which is a direct quote from a family friend after watching an earlier episode of "Rescue Me". If he has these thoughts about firemen from a television show that is quite popular, then who is to say that others don't share the same view? And eventually don't you think that those people will turn their back on those who pledge to "serve and protect us". Furthermore, not to turn this into "nigger this, nigger that" but if racism can be passed down in a family, this form of profiling certainly can too.

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There is nothing in the law that states they can't say if someone's been to a counselor. They can't point someone out and say "He's been seeing a counselor for X amount of time" without that person's consent. They can't say what the counseling is for. Yes, back in the forties they didn't give you counseling. If you had a problem, you went to the chaplain, and he told you to suck it up. But back then a higher ranking enlisted soldier or an officer had the authority to beat the shit out of you if you made them angry.

All I'm getting from your argument, Chicka (and I don't mean to be insulting) is that we, being the people with the most stressful and dangerous job in the world right now, have less of a right to be seeing therapists and chaplains than you folks at home who, as you put it, will probably never see anything more serious than a papercut.

There are people who deserve it. I have seen guys going home to a face forclosure and repossession on their house and belongings because their wife/fiancee/girlfriend spent every dime they earned on the front lines and maxed out their credit cards before dumping them the week before they came home. If you honestly think that soldier shouldn't be allowed to see a counselor, you need to rethink your priorites here.

If the worst you have to worry about is a boss who's an asshole, consider yourself lucky. You don't have to worry about some local who pretends to be your friend for months just so he can pull a suicide bombing and kill you and your entire platoon a couple months later.

I'm lucky. I'm in probably the safest area over here. I have the ability to go online. I have the opportunity to call home to my family. I don't have to wear 30 pounds of body armor everywhere I go. I just have to look for IEDs when I go off base. And that scares me shitless in of itself. I know what they're putting in those things, and I know what 20 pounds (yes, 20 pounds!) of C4 can do. I don't need to see a counselor because I know I could have it a hell of a lot worse.

If they're saying a lot of soldiers are getting counseling, then good! It shows everyone in support of the war what the consequences are. Think about it: if soldiers and firefighters and police are affected by this stuff and they're supposed to be 'better' than everyone else, people are going to start being more active in stopping all this bullshit. Because if it's bad enough to shake America's Finest, how long will it be before it starts to directly affect them?

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If you honestly think that soldier shouldn't be allowed to see a counselor, you need to rethink your priorites here.

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Hold it. I NEVER stated that I don't think that a soldier should be allowed counseling. I just don't think the media has any right to exploit that. Which is what the media does, if you haven't noticed. The case I pointed out above could be a case of actual police brutality, however, he was killed so every news station is going to say "Oh poor fallen officer." Doesn't matter if he deserved it or not, he's still some kind of hero. That's what the media does.

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All I'm getting from your argument, Chicka (and I don't mean to be insulting) is that we, being the people with the most stressful and dangerous job in the world right now, have less of a right to be seeing therapists and chaplains than you folks at home who, as you put it, will probably never see anything more serious than a papercut.

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What the fuck do I need to see a counselor for? And office guns do a lot more damage than a papercut, by the way. I never said I want to deny their right. I simply want to deny the media's right to twist it into something it's not. It shouldn't be the top news story.

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There are people who deserve it. I have seen guys going home to a face forclosure and repossession on their house and belongings because their wife/fiancee/girlfriend spent every dime they earned on the front lines and maxed out their credit cards before dumping them the week before they came home.

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Sucks to be them, but hey, they're the ones who kept sending that money back home. If I were them I'd have my bills sent to me and I'd pay them myself then give those women an allowance. If they didn't know these women were like this before, they had the wool over their eyes. Bitches don't generally hide their bitchiness. Sorry, I don't feel anything for these guys.

Way to twist everything that I said around to make me the bad guy. Do you work for the American media?

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Okay. Not my intention, but looking back on my post I realize I did turn everything around on you. My apologies.

The fact is that the American public needs to understand that we are [b]people/[b]. We are not machines. We are just like you, we're just doing something no one else can or will do. We are trained to do a job, just like anyone else. We get a paycheck just like anyone else. We pay taxes, we eat, we sleep. We most certainly bleed if wounded. And we are affected by stress just like anyone else.

The suicide rate of soldiers spiked tremendously high after World War 1 & 2, because there was no counseling for shell-shocked soldiers. More Vietnam vets than the military cares to admit went on killing sprees because of PTSS, because they were in a situation much like here where they don't know who's friend or foe and they didn't have the necessary counseling to help them readjust to normal society.

I feel my family is safer knowing that these soldiers, firefighters, and police officers are getting the help they need. I would rather they be portrayed as human beings than have their suffering be ignored until they can't keep it bottled up anymore and hurt themselves or others.

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It was such a waste of everyone’s time and money that even the Tokyo stadium’s rape robots apologized– something they were programmed specifically never to do.

Stupid broken tags...

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It was such a waste of everyone’s time and money that even the Tokyo stadium’s rape robots apologized– something they were programmed specifically never to do.

Finally. Your opinion on this as a soldier, which is really what I was looking for in the begining. Have fun when it gets exaggerated into after dinner massages in the mess hall.

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By the time that happens I will be out of the military and looking at the soldiers with disgust. Besides, anyone who needs that type of coddling is declared mentally unfit for the military and is booted out post-haste.

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It was such a waste of everyone’s time and money that even the Tokyo stadium’s rape robots apologized– something they were programmed specifically never to do.

By the time that happens I will be out of the military and looking at the soldiers with disgust. Besides, anyone who needs that type of coddling is declared mentally unfit for the military and is booted out post-haste.

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

I hate to be out of line, but back to the original question of this thread. I can't imagine that the one you love would be so offended that she would hold anything against you. Especially in your current situation. What would my grandma say? All will be forgiven after you have the freakiest, butter churning, utter yanking, pig roping sex ever. But don't ask me because I just broke up with my girlfriend and I might be a bit angry.

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