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DragonXero
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Well, from most of the "punks" I meet around here, their idea of Anarchy is some sort of weird ordered tribal ideal where you group loosely with the "tribes" that you agree most with.

Doesn't sound too anarchistic to me.

Maybe my definition of "anarchy" is outdated.

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2-04-04 2:11am (new)
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graykane
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i think you're talking about disaffected youths who listen to punk. just because the hair's green and the music is the Ramones doesn't mean their movement is punk. usually, it's inflected with hippie overtones, and if you're talking about those people, then yes, you're right, Commies (not that that's a bad thing, it's just not punk): their problem pertains more with capitalism than with existence of regulatory forces. of course, if you want to be strict on the definition of punk, then punk has never existed outside of the UK. the punk movement, by definition, was a social movement in the UK. there are plenty of academic books written on that subject. pursuing the american angle, however, Prof Eric Lott of UVA has done a lot of work:
http://www.engl.virginia.edu/faculty/lott.html

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2-04-04 5:43am (new)
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theviciousanarchist
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i rephrase my sentance- good "punk" is dead. wow, i didn't know all you people were so intellectual. now i don't have to speak idiot. in my opinion, the definiton of anarchy is-

the lack of governmental control, or authority.

i don't care about all this oh, let's cause chaos shit. i just don't like the government.

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2-04-04 8:35am (new)
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MikeyG
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D/X is the only guy in this thread who knows what punk is. You want punk, motherfuckers?

Check out Black Flag, G.G. Allin (this guy was too punk for punk), and the Misfits.

Punk should not be defined. That's what made it punk. You had kids who dressed in fucking buttoned-down collar shirts, high waters, loafers, etc., who were punker than I'd ever seen. You didn't have to dress in a fucking pierced/tatoo'd/leather/spiked uniform to be punk. You still don't. You were a true anarchist, you were punk by fucking default.

It used to be that the heavily pierced, spiked-out punkers were tough motherfuckers. Maybe not from kicking a lot of ass, but just by being in many, many fights. Now, a guy with tats and piercings is just as likely to be listening to mallpop, taking a corporate cock down his little throat.

Good Charlotte, Sum 41, New Found Glory, and all those other suckers of Satan's cock are no-fucking-where near punk. It's disgusting, really. The closest new band in the last decade to be punk-like was Green Day. They came close, but I have to disagree with D/X on their punk-ness. Now, as I said, you can't really define punk, but you can definitely tell what isn't punk.

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2-04-04 9:25am (new)
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nicejohnson
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Hmmm...I just wanted to say that I think that viciousanarchist is right. People here are pretty intelligent (surprisingly) and i think that DragonXero has some fairly good points. Actually, the whole discussion is making my head spin, which is something that doesn't happen very often. Perhaps the whole thing should be dropped, though, since it's not all that important. Listen to what you want, don't categorize.

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2-04-04 9:54am (new)
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graykane
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i'm not arguing. in fact, i agree with MikeyG. people (including myself here) have gone about defining a movement that was trying to break the confines of definitions. but i just wanted to point out that the LA punk movement is still going strong. and as for piercings, in the mid 90's they started experimenting with skull piercing (metal mohawks) and other even more severe body modifications. you ever want to see some hardcore punkass shit, run a search on body mods. you'll see people removing body parts and attaching them elsewhere or replacing them with plastic or metal. they're busy trying to escape the "interpretations" placed on their bodies, as far as gender or even "human." in fact, there's a whole new category called "post-human" (which expands into philosophical areas way beyond even body mods). it's a huge movement.

okay, that's my two cents. if you don't like pennies, then leave them on the sidewalk for the next person.

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2-04-04 10:24am (new)
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DragonXero
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I always used to say "you can't want to be punk. You just have to be punk.", and of course, true punks don't call themselves punks. I like punk music, and the original movement was perfectly timed. The problem is that people are still trying to forward a movement that has succeeded already.
Anarchism, to me, is a land free of rules. Any rules. Do whatever you want, period. Chaos is neccesary for the creation of anarchy, and will more than likely become the norm during Anarchy.
That's what Anarchy and Communism have in common. They wouldn't work in practice. They sound fine and dandy on paper, but when it all comes down to it, human nature steps in. You will always have people wanting to succeed personally, which kills off communism quite nicely, and you will always have people who need order in their lives to feel rigiht, that kills off anarchy quickly.
Capitalism works. Not because it's perfect, but because it's imperfect. No, it's not an ideal situation for everyone. Hell, it's not an ideal situation for most people. But it's a working solution for the majority of people. It tends to take on the best and worst qualities of people. The greedy and power-hungry get the power and riches they desire, so long as they have the intelligence to get it. In a free market, things can change, and this reflects life on the whole.
Communism has never, and will never work. People are different, and this is the fatal flaw of communism. Robots could be communists. Humans, can not. Socialism "works" because you're forced to accept it.
The best we could ever have, socially, would be tribal society, like the Africans. Problem is, there are *still* issues there. There is still war, there is still power to be gained or lost, there is still prejudice. Trade would be an issue there too.
Basically, my friends, society is fucked until we find a way to live in peace with eachother, and stop fighting over stupid shit like who our next figurehead- I mean president, is going to be.

Punk music still exists, though not much of it is new. The punk movement is dead because it isn't really needed anymore.
And I am a metalhead, so I don't really care anymore. We have Glenn Danzig, so you punkers can kiss our metal asses.

Oh yeah, I think the fact that punks rejected them made Green Day more punk. :D

In conclusion: MY EYES ARE SQUISHY.

P.S.: TVA, I'm 21, and have been discussing complex political, social, and economic issues since I was 13 or so. I mainly come on this site to make funny comics, and tease newbs. It's more fun to tease the n00bs, but I'll tease anyone who isn't a regular for a little while, unless they really impress me (niteowl, for example), and some I fuck with even after they have been accepted (Mikey, for example).

I've just become disenfranchised with the younger crowd. These kids think Blink182 is punk and Slipknot is metal. They wear hoodies and spiked bracelets they buy at hot topic. They write shitty poetry that makes goth poetry look like Shakespear. The complain about MTV then listen to the same bands on the radio. They complain about being closed-minded, but won't listen to anything but their five favorite bands. They speak of breaking out of the mold, yet form themselves right into another mold. It's all pathetic. I make no qualms about being unoriginal with how I dress or act. I don't care, because I realize that all the good ideas are already taken.

That is all.

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2-04-04 2:25pm (new)
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MikeyG
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DragonXero hit the nail on the head. Punk was, and still is in a lot of people's heads, a philosophy. Not something palpable. A punk used to be someone who just didn't fit any other mold. And it's funny, too, because the word punk originally meant a guy who got raped frequently in prison. Real punk is dead. A fat bastard named Rick Rubin helped kill it, too. He's one of the reasons there will never be a misfits reunion.

Also, as Xero said, Danzig is on the dark side now. He's ours and we love him. As much as I love the Misfits, I wouldn't give up Samhain for a fucking reunion.

Now, I love Hot Topic. I really do. It's one of the few places I can pick up Che Guevara stuff and buy Tool band tees. But let's face it. The majority of people who shop there are little teenie bopper, spiked-wristlet-wearing, pseudo-angst-ridden, weepy rich kids. Like DragonXero. (just kidding, nipplenuts).

The non-mold that used to get someone called a punk is now a fucking mold. Real punk is dead. Sebadoh is no more, G.G. Allin went the way of all psycho/sociopathic drug addicts, and Danzig is a fucking metal master. THE END.

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2-04-04 2:44pm (new)
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nicejohnson
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MikeyG=official club member of cute funny guys who are guys
that takes biiiiig balls

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2-04-04 2:51pm (new)
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niteowl
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Damn. Thanks, DX. That means a lot, seriously.

I kinda hope I'm still considered a n00b, less pressure that way. Plus I think I'd be the longest tenured n00b at SC, since I've been here since June 2001...although up until the past 6 months or so, I was basically a shameless lurker.

Btw, you can tease me if you want. I can take it.

You dicksmack. ;)

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2-04-04 5:12pm (new)
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DragonXero
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Actually, I've never been in a Hot Topic. I been considering going in one because I've heard they have some sweet hooded cloaks, and I need something other than my duster to wear during the winter, and maybe a lighter coat during the hotter summer months. I don't think there are a lot of band shirts I'd want in there, so that's not a good reason for me to go, but I could add some more spikes to my guitar strap. Also, I could buy a couple of Johnny books.

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Btw, you can tease me if you want. I can take it.

You dicksmack. ;)


When I find something to tease you about, I will. Cockknocker.

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2-04-04 5:16pm (new)
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theviciousanarchist
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new comic. misfits- return of danzig.

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2-04-04 6:37pm (new)
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xxausrottenxx
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rollins would kick danzig's ass

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2-04-04 6:48pm (new)
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MikeyG
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No he wouldn't. Danzig would roll up on him and Rollins would start spouting Spoken Word to talk his way out of it. Then Danzig would bring one up from the ground and knock out Rollins AND his brick-neck.

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2-05-04 7:26am (new)
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theviciousanarchist
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if you people like danzig so much, check out my earlier comics, which don't suck as much.

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2-05-04 5:33pm (new)
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MikeyG
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Yes they do. Oh yes they do.

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2-05-04 5:36pm (new)
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nicejohnson
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Hey MikeyG, do you still think MY comics suck?

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2-05-04 5:40pm (new)
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MikeyG
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Actually, nicejohnson, I liked Passionate Penguin and Painfully Obvious. I hated the hookers one, but everything else is all right.

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2-05-04 7:53pm (new)
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theviciousanarchist
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euhm. i didn't say they didn't suck. i just said that they didn't suck as much. oh yeah. if you want to check out my newest animation, just email me. at f_uck_the_torture@hotmail.com

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2-07-04 5:08pm (new)
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xxausrottenxx
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mikeyg=viciousanarchist ?? wha??

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2-07-04 8:13pm (new)
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theviciousanarchist
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what an odd thing to say...

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2-08-04 6:22pm (new)
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MikeyG
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Where did you get that? I might be A vicious anarchist, but I am not THE viciousanarchist.

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2-09-04 9:16am (new)
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theviciousanarchist
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i changed my signature, isn't that exciting?

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2-09-04 5:53pm (new)
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OMG_DaGmAr_6481987
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Yes. Very exciting. lol. If you think you're un-beautiful, don't worry, you're not the only un-beautiful one around here. Well, I think I'm just average-looking.

2-09-04 7:45pm (new)
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theviciousanarchist
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hm. i think i'm getting some kind of response at school. i just sat down at a table at lunch, and they all left. how kind of them. now that i feel like a total fucking loser, i have a new comic.

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2-10-04 6:22pm (new)
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