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kaufman
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There's a very simple solution to this problem: Genetically engineer lawyers with souls.

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3-16-04 9:01am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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But then they would chose a different profession.

People sue over lots of things that get thrown out of court. I like how boorite says "none of ya'll know nouthin about evolution, but I might be wrong I didn't read what ya'll wrote." Then he doesn't say who is wrong, or about what (we must just assume he is right). Also he just says "laws suits are being brought" with no details. A lot of scientists don't know a lot of things about evolution, boorite, that's why it's a theory.

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3-16-04 11:29am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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That thing about theory blew my mind, MakK. But seriously, sci-fi movies are your main source of information about evolution, aren't they? I'm just asking.

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3-16-04 11:39am (new)
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andydougan
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I fail to see the relevance to this discussion of either evolution or your tiresome diatribe.

3-16-04 12:00pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Spankling is the one who used Jurassic Park as his defense against GM. (And I think Godzilla if I read what he wrote correctly). Dougan is right, no one's main point was evolution though.

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3-16-04 12:48pm (new)
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Zaster
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Actually I mentioned Jurassic Park. Thank goodness I didn't mention Evolution. That movie sucked!

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3-16-04 6:10pm (new)
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Spankling
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I mentioned Godilla because of the Blue Oyster Cult song.

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History shows again and again
How nature points up the folly of men
Go go Godzilla!

So true.

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3-16-04 10:07pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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So your defense for you point of view lies in a BOC song? Well ok that's not so silly.

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3-16-04 10:37pm (new)
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kaufman
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Of all the 70s bands to base your philosophy of life upon, Blue Oyster Cult is a pretty good one to choose. Imagine if he'd chosen the Captain and Tenille. He'd probably be out in the yard right now looking for muskrats to schtup.

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3-17-04 6:43am (new)
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boorite
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I fail to see the relevance to this discussion of either evolution or your tiresome diatribe.

You must have missed the word "diversity," around which much of this discussion seems to have revolved.

There are reasons to be afraid of what GM crops can do to biodiversity. There are also reasons to think GM crops hold out some promise for threatened species. But it won't do to just say "ah yes according to Darwin the strongest genes survive." Take a look at introduced species and the havoc they wreak in native populations. Phragmites, for example, has largely supplanted wild rice plants in the Chesapeake Bay region. The rice was an important food source for an incalculable number of migratory birds. So the strongest genes have survived, and that's a good thing? No, I don't think so. Human beings introduced the phragmites, with unforeseen and unintended consequences for the whole food chain-- negative consequences, unless you like sharing the world with mostly crows and starlings.

There are other issues like habitat destruction and so on that need to be discussed. But before we do, a minimal understanding of these issues is required.

And again, my main concern is with the intellectual ownership of the food supply-- not just the truckloads of food, but with the very concept of the seed itself. This seems more a plan for holding the food supply ransom than for feeding the world. Often, you'll find such crass motives underneath corporate PR about the humanitarian benefits of their new inventions, if you look hard enough.

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3-17-04 7:23am (new)
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NooniePuuBunny
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Like I said, greed is what causes the threat to diversity of crops. But of course, on the organic stuff they sell in the store, they've hiked up the prices to the point where my family cant even touch it. Either way, both sides are greedy little morons.

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3-17-04 9:07am (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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Unless they are breeding wheat to devour other species I don't see how biodiversity is an issue. You could argue that if the wheat population becomes very homogenous, and a disease entered the environment to which it was susceptible, large crops of wheat could be wiped out very quickly. Otherwise I'm not sure the downside. Farming mass fields of wheat is already changing the state of nature quite a bit, I'm not sure what other damage you could do, you know, once you cut down all the trees and flush out all the indigenous animals so you can till acre after acre of land.

If species are already needing human crops to survive, also I suggest the state of nature is not exactly untouched, and if animals have adapted to live off of these crops, they will once again adapt to the genetic makeup of the wheat changing slightly (assuming they need to at all. I mean come on, it's wheat).

About the intellectual ownership of genes, I could foresee that being a big issue. I think they should consider treating it like food and drink recipes, you can patent the process for creating this "gm" strain of wheat, but if I happen to be selling it, or a crop springs up on my field with the same genetic makeup, well tough shit, it's a food, it grows out of the ground, what the fuck do you want.

You could also easily trademark selling a genetically modified product (after all if you're selling it and you didn't engineer it, but you can't advertise that it is engineered a certain way, what real market advantage do you have? Oh this is "special" wheat but we can't tell you why *wink wink*). Trademarking means identifying the product somehow, and you could probably do it under broad enough terms so that no one could advertise they are selling your exact GM strain as "genetically modified". It'd be like exactly copying McDonald's french fries. You are completely allowed to do that, but if you put it in very similar packaging or make reference to it, get ready to talk to some clown-shaped lawyers.

But I still don't know what case(s) you're talking about, or the details therein. Wherever lawyers are some absurd assertion probably isn't that far behind, so I could believe that there is some such case in the works.

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3-17-04 10:55am (new)
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boorite
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Unless they are breeding wheat to devour other species I don't see how biodiversity is an issue.

Several reasons. One is that engineered species can escape the confines of the farm, and so we can get an "introduced species" problem. I've heard that this is a big worry among those who worry about engineered salmon.

Another is that farmers in other countries are often coerced into using certain varieties of seed and other farming methods by the companies that have interests in these things-- chemical companies, agribusiness, and so on. And just as often, it is not foreign farms, but our corporations operating farms in foreign countries. It goes beyond the mere greed that Chi mentions. Andean varieties, for example, are not disappearing just because Andean farmers are greedy. Much of the "free trade" agreements you hear so much about are geared to the interests of agribusiness and chemical companies-- "opening markets" to their products and so on. The result is a decline in biodiversity.

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You could argue that if the wheat population becomes very homogenous, and a disease entered the environment to which it was susceptible, large crops of wheat could be wiped out very quickly.

Yes, that is exactly right.

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Farming mass fields of wheat is already changing the state of nature quite a bit, I'm not sure what other damage you could do, you know, once you cut down all the trees and flush out all the indigenous animals so you can till acre after acre of land.

You're right. Agriculture even in its pre-industrial form has done massive harm to environments. Ever wonder why these "cradle of civilization" kinds of places tend to be deserts? Well, they didn't used to be!

But the idea is to slow the harm down, not accelerate it. GM products arguably (not inevitably or in all cases) have the potential to accelerate it.

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If species are already needing human crops to survive...

No, I said wild rice, which was native to the Chesapeake Bay region and until recently supported huge wildlife populations. It's an example of how an escaped or introduced species like phragmites can resonate up the food chain.

I agree that this should be the legal doctrine, but I'm afraid it's not. So there's something to be wary of.

Like I said, I'd eat carrots with eyeballs growing on them. I'm not against GMO per se. I just think we need to give the consequences utmost consideration, and this stuff about the strongest genes doesn't come close.

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3-17-04 12:18pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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So GM salmon escapes, or GM wheat spreads, and what is the bad part (except maybe a shift in the food chain, which you admit is already "screwed up" by man)? Once something "escapes" it is nature's prerogative to decide how "diverse" the ecosystem needs to be.

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3-17-04 12:55pm (new)
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MikeyG
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WANGS

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3-17-04 12:59pm (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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3-17-04 1:45pm (new)
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MaKK_BeNN
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I understand yes, a new species can change the ecosystem. I guess what I'm saying is "so what". I'm not convinced wheat that has a higher grain yield is going to cause kittens to be stillborn, or that salmon that matures sooner are going to make tuna extinct. We're not breeding insects to be invulnerable, we're not breeding wolves to be more deadly killers, I'm not sure why you're taking a "you'll be sorry" attitude about this.

Yes, you can't predict all of the consequences. That doesn't mean they are by default negative. You point out that entire landscapes have been changed because of agriculture (a LONG time before GM). GM itself isn't a bad thing. If you put nature in one catagory and mankind in the other, then EVERYTHING we do changes the course of nature, and your attitude seems like you would be saying "well we can't cut down trees to make buildings, you'll be sorry" "you can't kill predators who eat us, you'll be sorry, nature will malfunction and the earth will shut down" "you can't bathe, many parasites rely on feeding on our bodies to live, and you'll alter the ecosystem" while your tribe slowly sneaks off to leave you for predators.

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3-17-04 3:26pm (new)
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Rabid_Weasle
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Blue Oyster Cult also says to not fear the reaper, man. Deaths gonna get you when he wants to, doesn't matter what you eat, man!

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3-17-04 7:17pm (new)
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Spankling
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GODZILLA!

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3-17-04 7:41pm (new)
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NooniePuuBunny
Horny Female Tentacled Kaiju from Outer Space

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... You people need more fiber in your diet.

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3-17-04 8:04pm (new)
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Rabid_Weasle
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Why? They all just get rid of any excess shit in the DSMP thread.

lool!

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3-17-04 8:08pm (new)
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Spankling
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And that would be a bad thing.

right?

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3-17-04 10:08pm (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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So a lot of things!

More like "let's be cautious about this."

Right, I said that and still agree with it.

Yes, they didn't know any better. We do. (I hope.)

Yes, you're practically quoting me.

Actually, this is one area where we do seem to have succeeded too well, but again, we're supposedly smart enough now to maintain habitats without getting eaten by leopards.

Humans have been causing mass extinctions at an accelerating pace since the Paleolithic. But I think it's wise to slow that pace if we can, and we can.

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3-18-04 9:32am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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Here's what happens when GMOs go bad.

To absent friends by boorite
3-18-04
I wonder where my furry little friend could have got to?
I ate him.
No way I'm feeding peanuts to this thing.

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3-18-04 12:26pm (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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When GMOs attack by boorite
3-18-04
Here, pidgie pidgie... dear me, where are all the pigeons?
I ate them.
DAMN YOU, MONSANTO CORPORATION!
You gonna finish that popcorn?

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3-18-04 12:36pm (new)
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