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jes_lawson
I don't know what I'm doing either

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two music threads have been getting tetchy. Therefore:

1. The Wannadies are not shite.

2. Dancecore. WTF?

3. Classical music needs to be listend to more than once? You weren't listening hard enough.

4. Modern Pop is gash.

5. Pop R&B can kiss my 'blog.

6. [Your pet music gripe here]

Let's start with Number 1...

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10-22-03 6:43pm (new)
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IB_XC
Member - Tobor Fan Club

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Did someone mention Dropkick Murphys?

No? They damn well should have.

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10-22-03 8:24pm (new)
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bunnerabb
Some bloke.

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1. The Wannadies are not shite.
[Your pet music gripe here]
Let's start with Number 1...

Maybe not. But if everything they do sounds like the "Me and You Song", they are less than shite. I'll take a stab at more Wannadies if need be to get a broader scope of their stuff, but if I hear anything like the most insufferably tuneless, mewling trash to ever make me swan dive for the STOP button that is the "Me and You Song" vomit forth from my speakers, I'm going to start mailing these bastards anthrax.

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10-22-03 9:02pm (new)
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umfumdisi
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Listen to jazz

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10-23-03 8:09am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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The way that can be told
is not the eternal Way
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.

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10-23-03 8:30am (new)
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kramer_vs_kramer
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Although pop R&B irks me greatly, I'm quite pleased by the current popularity of dancehall, although I think Sean Paul is in danger of being overexposed and should probably fuck off for a bit.

And I hope Josh decides to join this thread and tell us all exactly what genre our favourite bands are.

10-23-03 8:51am (new)
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mmyers
Passing through.

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1. The Wannadies are not shite.

4. Modern Pop is gash.


1. Agreed. While not my favorite band (I've enjoyed what I've heard well enough, but haven't gone out of my way to get new stuff), I definitely don't consider them shite. No Doubt, now they are shite. *shudder*

4. I've got a little love in my heart for modern pop, simply because at times it's so bad that it's almost good again. I made fun of Britney Spears so much that I can now sing along with her. There must be something redemptive if she can get in my head like that.

I often think of 'pop' music not as the festering pile of crap that seems to pour out of the speakers of cars cruising the Save-Rite, but rather look at pop music as bands like Apples in Stereo, Fountains of wayne, Teenage Fanclub, Material Issue. Power pop, if that phrase exists anymore. Simple, hooky songs. So I'll amend "Modern pop is gash" with "Modern Top 40 is gash." Gash. I love that word.

And I still love bunner, even if our musical tastes shall never find a common ground.

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10-23-03 9:50am (new)
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bunnerabb
Some bloke.

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The way that can be told
is not the eternal Way
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.


"MmmmmmyeahhhhUPYOURASS!" - Eric Cartman

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10-23-03 11:22am (new)
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JrnymnNate
I fling the shoddy polo stick

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3. Classical music needs to be listend to more than once? You weren't listening hard enough.

W T F is this crap

k mister, I hope you pride youself on the ability to scrutinize every detail of a symphony on the first listen. And if this is in fact the norm, why then do the hellcasters require more than one listen?

10-23-03 11:47am (new)
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JrnymnNate
I fling the shoddy polo stick

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then we'd all be happy

10-23-03 11:50am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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k mister, I hope you pride youself on the ability to scrutinize every detail of a symphony on the first listen. And if this is in fact the norm, why then do the hellcasters require more than one listen?

Jes and I are separate persons, Nate.

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10-23-03 12:00pm (new)
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jes_lawson
I don't know what I'm doing either

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3. Classical music needs to be listend to more than once? You weren't listening hard enough.

W T F is this crap


Yeah, I was a little harsh.

Some bits of music, which would include Orange Blossom Special, jazz and many classical pieces, can be listened to again and again, and you still hear something different and new.

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10-23-03 12:00pm (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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"MmmmmmyeahhhhUPYOURASS!" - Eric Cartman

The wise student on hearing the Tao
diligently puts it into practice.
The average student on hearing the Tao
keeps it one minute and loses it the next.
The mediocre student on hearing the Tao
laughs at it loudly.
If this student did not laugh it would not be the Tao.

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10-23-03 12:02pm (new)
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jes_lawson
I don't know what I'm doing either

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"Bravery and cowardice are not things that can be conjectured in times of peace. They are in different catagories."

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10-23-03 1:14pm (new)
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JrnymnNate
I fling the shoddy polo stick

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I'm feeling under the weather, sorry.

10-23-03 3:45pm (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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Oh no! We told you not to listen to the Wannadies!

....I'll be hiding in an undisclosed dumpster if anyone needs me.

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10-23-03 3:53pm (new)
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jes_lawson
I don't know what I'm doing either

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You mean that electrified dumpster bunnerrab pissed in? Mind out. I threw some medical waste in there.

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10-23-03 4:53pm (new)
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IB_XC
Member - Tobor Fan Club

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In the merry month of June from my home I started left the girls of Taum nearly brokenhearted saluted me father dear kissed me darling mother drank a pint of beer my grief and tears to smother then off to reap the corn leave where I was born cut a stout blackthorn to banish ghosts and goblins brand new pair of brogues rattling over the bogs frightening all the dogs on the rocky road to Dublin one two three four five!

Usually I would type it normally, on different lines and all, but this better fits the tempo of the song. I'll go back to my comics now.

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10-23-03 6:20pm (new)
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choadwarrior
Crash Magnet

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On the whole genre/classification of music issue--

Compare music to food.

There are plenty of styles of food, but nobody bellyaches(pardon the pun) if someone classifies it or sub-classifies it.

Okay--you like Japanese food...sushi or tempura?French food...haute, nouvelle, or provencal? Italian food...Tuscan or Sicilian? Chinese food...Szechuan or Mandarin? Indian food...madras, vindaloo, or tandoori? While most of these are regional variations, not all of them are.

Do you see how this works?

My favourite restaurant at the moment is a Latin-Asian fusion place. They took inspiration cuisines on two entire continents and came up with a great menu. One of these days, someone will come up with a better term or descriptor than Latin-Asian fusion, and we'll call it that. Nobody will bitch that "Latasian" or whatever is a figment of a marketing wizzard's imagination and I can state with certainty that nobody will make the claim that it is only "food."

Listen to whatever you want to listen to. Call it whatever you want to call it. Buy whatever you want to buy, and download whatever you want to download until the RIAA sues you.

10-23-03 8:20pm (new)
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umfumdisi
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Is choad trying to tell us that his favorite band is Cake?

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10-23-03 10:41pm (new)
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bunnerabb
Some bloke.

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Do you see how this works?

Gosh, no. The entire concept eludes me.

Oh, I dunno. I eat a lot of different stuff and I call it all "food" unless I'm asked for a detailed description of my dinner. My best response is still: "Try it. Grab a plate."

I don't suppose that the fact that these regional stylisations of food preperation / variation of principal ingredients therein, have evolved, almost en toto, sans the "assistance" of hordes of marketing executives and have been around - in some cases - for thousands of years before recorded music?

I mean... Nouvelle Cuisine? Please. "New Food?" There is no "New Food." There are no "New Notes." Only the opportunity to use what's there to create something that is a unique expression of the artist. Calling it something that requires 7 hyphens makes it neither magical - nor palatable, for that matter - should it taste like ass on a damp stick.

If there is a need to give some labels to certain things in order warn people away from it, or help them find something in the same style from an artist they might have enjoyed, there is a modicum of validity in that, I suppose. I mean, how many kids who wanted to try curry might have been dissuaded from liking it at all because they were happily munching on some chicken Korma and their wise-assed, older brother - the curry freak - says "Nah.. that stuff's shit. It's for wussies. Eat some of this Phaal."

After the kid's skin grows back on their upper palatte, they have but one thing to say. "Curry sucks."

On the other hand, saying "Naw, see... this is East COAST New Jack Street Gangsta Style!®" - and handing the CD it's own category at the Mtv awards - doesn't alter the fact that it's a bunch of motherfuckers talking about murder, prostitution, misogyny, owning expensive cars and being a criminal as things that are terribly, terribly interesting and desirable. It also doesn't mask the fact that they, often, can't sing and, often, pretty much sound like every other artist who's forte is trying to sound menacing over snippets of other people's work.

In my opinion, it's a tad difficult to create "new music" when the "new style" is nothing more than endlessly referencing what's already been done - from James Brown to whatever sold the most last week - with the aid of samplers and cookie cutter guitar sounds.

Then again, there seems to be a market for that sort of work, but it doesn't necessarily make it music. There's a market for chrome ball lawn ornaments, too. That doesn't necessarily make them art. Fine. So call rap: "rap", and call lawn ornaments: "lawn ornaments". While we're at it, let's agree to call Twinkies: "crap".

I have no beef [HAW!] with certain tags being tossed on to musical styles in order to aide the uninitiated listener in ascertaining the piece's "flava", as it were, but I don't hear a lot of people saying: "I only eat north CENTRAL Pakistani Kashmiri Pandit cuisine, and if you don't, you are SUCH A FUCKING LOSER! You don't KNOW FOOD!"

See how this works?

Sometimes, a cheeseburger is just a cheeseburger and the toppings are just whatever is on top of the cheeseburger that is neither cheese nor meat.

I.E., I remain: Stuffing new music into wildly convoluted sub-genres is like handing out trophies to every kid in school whether it's for Valedictorian or Showing Up A Lot, and does not offer stylistic synopsis - nor assist in broad distribution or acceptance of the work - but simply stuffs music into smaller and smaller boxes that give the kids an opportunity to say: "No, this is MY music! It's DIFFERENT!"

That's neither cuisine nor art. It's marketing. It's running with the tattered and deflated ball that record companies were handed, courtesy of an incredibly large generation of kids who took their music pretty seriosuly, in the sixties. The recording and distribution of music became a marketable commodity with a very large consumer base, for whom the labels pushed more and more money into bankable acts and dilligently tried to sign new ones that sounded like the last band that shifted 10 million units. They simply got on any horse that they could get puchase of, and rode it as far as they could. They did not then, nor do they now, give a rabid goat's ass about art.

As a matter of fact, there was a very overt attempt by labels in the 1980's to pursue the concept of marketing pop music EXACTLY the way professional sports are marketed. And as we all know, one of the principal attractions for a lot of sports fans is allegiance to the home team. We are still dusting the fallout from that huge bomb off of our collective Kid Rock T-Shirts, IMHO.

The proliferation of narrow and multi-hyphenated market channels results, on the street level, in being a bid for allegiance. That, and a lot of pretentious twats who actually think that their work can only adequately be described with the most ostensibly nouvelle and elite genre tags on the shelf.

If you think I'm wholly mistaken, please try and remember that I'm still out in the trenches in Pop Music Land and I hear what's being said about what, and by whom, on an almost first-hand basis. On both the street and industry levels. I am also sent ponderous clumps of industry publications on a monthly basis that are written by, and for, the people who work with this incandescantly brilliant form of music as a business on a daily basis. "Don't let what's easier for them as a business approach affect your limitations of musical appreciation". - is my only message here.

And so, I exhort you:

"Just try it. Grab a CD."

Listen without prejudice.

"Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new sound, funny, but it's still rock and roll to me." - B. Joel

Amen. And don't let them tell you what to call it, either. Don't forget, though: You might LIKE the chicken, and that's OK. Even if all of your friends only like the fish.

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10-23-03 10:43pm (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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There are the ten thousand particular things. They are the manifestations of the single Mystery behind them, which relentlessly asserts itself in the world through these myriad shifting forms. These ten thousand things are called by names, and though the names are handy, it is important to remember that they aren't the names of the Mystery. The Mystery can't be named. This is as true of music as it is of food, or anything else. The more we talk, and the more we name, the farther we travel from the Source. It's a necessary trip. There is no way not to take it. And it can be fun as long as we remember the way back.

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10-24-03 8:57am (new)
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boorite
crazy knife lady

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Absolutely impossible to market "cool" in this way. Completely futile. I could have saved them millions if they'd asked me.

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10-24-03 10:39am (new)
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mmyers
Passing through.

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Absolutely impossible to market "cool" in this way. Completely futile. I could have saved them millions if they'd asked me.


Well both the sports industry and the music industry charge a shit load for their t-shirts, so in that way, I guess the music industry achieved some success. Things like that are only as successful as the audience lets it be, and as long as people shell out $30 for a Tom Petty tour shirt, the market will be there. Admittedly, there isn't the same kind of rabid desire for band paraphenalia as there is for sports hats and shirts, but obviously there's some market there or else they wouldn't make them. I just can't see paying $60 for two tix to Elvis Costello and then paying another $30 to prove I was there. Ridiculous.

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10-24-03 11:20am (new)
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bunnerabb
Some bloke.

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Fuckin' A.

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10-24-03 3:31pm (new)
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