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BobRogers
December 31, 2004 6:53 PM

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Inflatable_Man
January 1, 2005 12:51 AM

Even if you disregard the fact that you're an insensitive prick since these 175,000 people were just killed a week ago, this is still a painfully unfunny strip. Way too much dialogue... and just... stupid.

....

And you misspelled "bitch".

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BobRogers
January 1, 2005 7:17 AM

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you're an insensitive prick

That's pretty much what I was shooting for. Now i am one step closer to SC citizenship.

In order to gain acceptance into this community of highly talented, often bizarre folks, one has to do something to stand out from the crowd.

I have noticed that some of my heroes (in stripcreatorburg) often revert to raw shock value in order to put their 'toons over.

Also you may not be aware of the AIM colloquial spelling of the word "bitch," bytch.

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Inflatable_Man
January 1, 2005 7:35 AM

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That's pretty much what I was shooting for. Now i am one step closer to SC citizenship.

In order to gain acceptance into this community of highly talented, often bizarre folks, one has to do something to stand out from the crowd.



Um... no. You're an idiot. You don't become a respected stripper by making shitty strips about international tragedies or being "bizarre". You make GOOD strips. That's it.

You remind me of one of those tools from High school who would kill themselves trying to be "unique" and "outrageous" in order to fit in.

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Also you may not be aware of the AIM colloquial spelling of the word "bitch," bytch.

Sorry, I don't speak dork.

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BobRogers
January 1, 2005 10:52 AM

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Sorry, I don't speak dork.

Could have pretty much fooled me.

Jesus christ is a regular character herein. Vietnamese ten year old girls are regularly raped sodomized and degraded, Robots buttrape almost everybody, priests leer at choirboys, and ad nauseum, and you have the unmitigated audacity to enter a forum topic LABLED tasteless and whine about the content?

Fuck, man. You're my new hero.

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not_Scyess
January 1, 2005 10:52 AM

I have to disagree with 'flatey over there on some points. The content wasn't too offensive (nothing's too offensive here, if you ask me), but the strip wasn't worded very well. "Too much dialog" is a good start, but it's not only that. The way it's worded didn't have any punch.

Try this:

/comics/not_Scyess/263965/

And really. Try to keep dorkspeak out of your comics. Using actual English covers an audience of everyone, where as AIM dorkspeak pretty much limits your audience to AIM dorks, and pisses off everyone else.

At least you didn't have any "LOL"s or ":)"s in your dialog.

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BobRogers
January 1, 2005 11:05 AM

You're right. I like your version better. I do tend to pontificate and overintellectualize in order to compensate for my woeful lack of formal education.

Here's the first follow-up and thanks for the critique. I have much to learn and you're a good teacher.

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BobRogers
January 1, 2005 11:17 AM

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not_Scyess
January 1, 2005 11:29 AM

Unfortunately, I think those last ones are closer to hopeless. The third panel in Part 2 is wasted (not funny at all), and the girl coming back as an elephant isn't funny enough on its own to constitute a "joke." It needs some pithy reaction from other characters, and a better set-up. (Plus, why is an elephant underwater? If that's the joke, it should be made explicit; as it stands it just looks like you fucked up.)

Keep trying. I haven't written you off yet.

(Yet.)

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BobRogers
January 1, 2005 12:05 PM

Now I am suffering from performance anxiety. I will change the elephant to a fish and modify Grim's reaction.

That may cause some confusion for some readin your critique...(I took his advice)

thank you for investing time and thought into me.

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Inflatable_Man
January 1, 2005 6:57 PM

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and you have the unmitigated audacity to enter a forum topic LABLED tasteless and whine about the content?

Please don't talk to me about audicity. I'm not politically correct by any stretch of the imagination. I make off-color jokes all the time, but robot sodomy isn't comparable on any level to 150,000+ dead people and five million homeless. I have an Indonesian friend who's been an emotional wreck for days worrying about his relatives and old friends, so maybe you can see how I fail to find the humor in this thing. However, if you're determined to make a series about the tsunami, at least try and redeem the questionable premise by making it somewhat funny. Your strips are so bad they make my eyes bleed. That's really what it boils down to more than anything, and I said as much in my first reply. But your callousness gave me one more incentive to slam you.

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little_kitty
January 1, 2005 7:31 PM

I do agree with Flate for the fact that it was way too soon after the event to be poking fun at it. I mean, there has to be some emotional lee-way of a month+, especially in a tragedy like this. I have a friend over in Thailand teaching and he lost a bunch of his friends in the Tsunami.

That, and Bob? I just... I just plain don't like you. I'm not about to start swearing and slamming and everything, but I won't ever give you props.

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ivytheplant
January 1, 2005 7:45 PM

I actually thought #1 was pretty funny, though not_Scyess's remake made me snerk out loud.

As for the moral part of it, well, there's several ways to look at it.

1. It's a terrible tragedy.
2. There's 6 billion people crowding the planet. That was a relief valve.
3. Shit happens.
4. People who don't want to potentially be killed by natural disasters caused by plate tectonics shouldn't fucking live on one of the most seismically active places on the planet! And don't give me that too-poor-to-move-elsewhere line since the death toll isn't exclusive to the poverty line and that's really a lame excuse anyway. No one would listen if someone said "all those people who were killed crossing the street in front of drunk drivers were too poor to move to a rural location." Yes, it's one hell of a high death toll, but it was also a really shallow earthquake that didn't even register the top five quakes. The only reason so many died is because of the location of a massively populated area combined with a 9.0 quake, structures not as reinforced as say, Tokyo, and a huge ass tsunami taking care of what the quake didn't do. The death toll to that region is comparable to say, wiping out one of the dorms here in Laramie. And yes I know it sucks for the people who were in it and people who have loved ones dealing with it and I'm sure I'd feel less ambivalent if it was me or my family, but the first person to act as if someone dying from this tsunami/quake is more important than my uncle who was killed a few months ago in a traffic accident (or anyone else whose death, natural causes or otherwise, doesn't make the headlines) then I reserve the divine right to bitch slap you to the next plane of existence! Hellooooo, people die every freaking day. Sure that amount in that little time is pretty big, but this is the same human race that thinks three people getting a tropical disease is an outbreak so of COURSE we all freak out at the numbers. 100 years ago, the population of Las Vegas was 48. Our brains are still stuck in that pattern and can't comprehend anything so big so it automatically goes "holy shit" at anything over 10. Unless you were a soldier in a war, then it's a good thing how many you've killed. Or at least used to be. /rant

I'm a bit of all of the above, but you can guess what stance I happen to take mostly. Besides, I can't wait til the fault under New York city goes. Unlike California's faults, it's had no pressure released since it's last quake and no one is prepared for it cause no one thinks there's anything to worry about other than the usual daily crap. It's gonna be freaking huge. When that happens, I shall be watching the news with a bowl of popcorn in one hand, and books of cracks about man's hubris with the other.

P.S. The newspeople that ask if we could have stopped the tsunami really crack me up.

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DragonXero
January 1, 2005 8:00 PM

Anyone here remember my little toss of kerosene into the fire back in 2001?

Yeah, *that* disaster.

I made a comic about it, not expecting the outcry, and ended up being hated for hours. I did apologize for the comic, and I think I ended up getting brad to delete it and the thread I created for it.

Making comics like that won't make you popular, but a lot of the more popular people have made comics about tragedies. It's something a lot of people go through, and frankly, I'd rather people be joking about stuff than crying all the time.

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Inflatable_Man
January 1, 2005 8:18 PM

Ivy, I'm sorry about your Uncle, but I find going from saying it's a "terrible tragedy" to "shit happens" really fucked up. Saying it's a release valve because there's too many people in the world, is also messed up. Could you go up to a mother who lost her kid, or some groveling orphan in the street and say "Sorry, kid. But it's good that all these people died. It was a release valve"? Can you imagine if something like this happened where you live? And actually, tsunamis on this scale haven't occurred in over a century... It wasn't a "really shallow" earthquake. It was a fucking 9.0. That hasn't been recorded in forty years. And yes, these people are too poor and deprived to move from where they were born and where their ancestors were born. A lot of them live in such a state of poverty that no one in this country could imagine it.

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People who don't want to potentially be killed by natural disasters caused by plate tectonics shouldn't fucking live on one of the most seismically active places on the planet!

I guess that means we should evacuate California and Japan.

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User #16352
January 1, 2005 8:18 PM

/comics/boinky33/264005/

Just because people die in great numbers, doesn't mean their lives were more important. Death is death.

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BobRogers
January 1, 2005 8:19 PM

I am surprised at the reaction. It's not like I said, "Ohio Sucks" or anything.

Humor is objective. Black humor is VERY subjective.

I was not going for popularity with the strip and its follow-ups. I was going for tastelessness as a metaphor for the absurd fragility of life.

Besides that - it's a comic strip for Christ's sake. Accept it or reject it for what it is, funny or not.

But don't expect me to roll over and play dead just because one of you has a friend in Thialand or Sumatra. It is what it is.

Incidentally, I hope no one expected me to spaz out and start JDPLVYing all over the place. I can take the criticism and I appreciate the understanding. If I made Ivy even BEGIN to smile, then my job is done.

Kitty, I cannot imagine on what basis you "plain don't like me." I presume it has something to do with either my infrequent bathing or my inability to control my craving for Spankling's caress. I am certain you will tell me if you want to.

Thank you all for the lynching. I feel better now. All that is left is to annotate my spelling and punctuation errors and we can all go back to the socially acceptable form of strip creating.

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Inflatable_Man
January 1, 2005 8:25 PM

I'm sorry if I've pissed anyone off (except Bob Rogers). If you don't agree with me, fine. I've said my bit and the fact I know someone affected by this thing, probably makes it more sensitive to me. But anyone who thinks this amount of death is only a drop in the bucket, should take a night off and try to count to 150,000 and see how long it takes.

I'm just going to avoid this thread from now on I think. It doesn't bring out anything good in me.

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User #16352
January 1, 2005 8:33 PM

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Zaster
January 1, 2005 8:34 PM

The numbers killed are almost beside the point for me. It would just feel weird to me to sit behind a computer keyboard in a country where I can rely on clean running water and 24/7 electricity, making comics about orphaned kids. It just seems like taking alot for granted. My $0.02.

Mind you, I've posted plenty of tasteless dross myself so I'll take my own licks as far as any counter-criticism is concerned.

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BobRogers
January 1, 2005 9:09 PM

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I'm sorry if I've pissed anyone off (except Bob Rogers).

You nor anyone has pissed me off. Intercourse is a part of this community. I value your opinion, whether it be with hatred or love.

That you value nothing about me speaks to you, not me.

I like Boinky's strip way better than mine. It made me laugh. But then he is a prince among strippers in my untutored opinion.

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BobRogers
January 1, 2005 9:24 PM

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ivytheplant
January 1, 2005 9:59 PM

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Ivy, I'm sorry about your Uncle, but I find going from saying it's a "terrible tragedy" to "shit happens" really fucked up.

It's not about my uncle, I just used it as an example. Oh, and the jump wasn't from "terrible tragedy" immediately to "shit happens." Duh.

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Saying it's a release valve because there's too many people in the world, is also messed up.

Pressure is pressure, whether geological or biological. I wasn't trying to be sadistic. It was a point. Duh.

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Could you go up to a mother who lost her kid, or some groveling orphan in the street and say "Sorry, kid. But it's good that all these people died. It was a release valve"?

Fucking hell. I'm sorry if you have family or friends that are/might be lost in it, but contrary to your obvious belief, I am not purposely being a dick. Oh yes, I just love going up to helpless orphans and saying "Your mommy's dead and I'm glad! Ha ha ha ha haaaa you little wretched brat! I hope you die from starvation and disease in the ensuing chaos because the world would be a better place without all your kind!"

There, now do you feel better for exposing me as the hatemongering bitch I really am? Me too.

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Can you imagine if something like this happened where you live?

Yup. Especially since Laramie is in the direct path of the shit that Yellowstone will bring. Personally, I'm rooting for it to happen in my lifetime. Of course we'll get up to 28 days of warning before it goes...

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And actually, tsunamis on this scale haven't occurred in over a century...

Nor was it the last tsunami on that particular scale, not including the ones that happened in the past and will happen in the future that are on a scale that makes this one look like bathwater splash. Like what humans have experienced has been the largest or most destructive of anything. Besides, it's only a so-called "natural disaster" when humans are involved. A tornado hits a town, it's a disaster. It hits the middle of the Mojave, no one notices but a handful of weather experts assigned to/studying that area. Actually it might be noticed more than most that hit in the middle of nowhere since it doesn't happen, but you get the picture.

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It wasn't a "really shallow" earthquake. It was a fucking 9.0.

Ivy's Geology Lesson #1 - Exploring The World Of Vocabulary

shal·low]
adj. shal·low·er, shal·low·est

1. Measuring little from bottom to top or surface; lacking physical depth.

How does this apply to earthquakes, class? Construction Crew A is building a road. They have a biiiiig mountain in the way and they need to find a way through. So they toss some dynamite on top of it and it blows up. But only an itty bitty bit of the mountain is gone. Gee willikers, I wonder why. So they keep tossing dynamite up and eventually the mountain is gone, but they blew all their budget on the dynamite, are way behind schedule, and never get a job again in their entire life.

Construction Crew B has the same problem, but they bury the dynamite deep in the mountain. It takes out half the mountain and in no time, and under budget, they finish the road, get lots of safety awards, and end up millionaires.

Now, why did Construction Crew B's plan work better?

Answer: It's simple fucking physics. Earthquakes don't just happen at some maaaagical spot in the earth's crust. They happen at ALL depths. The deeper the quake, the more destructive power it has, especially at the higher end of the R scale. Shallow quakes, even 9.0s aren't anywhere near as destructive. If this one had been deep at that magnitude, it would have wiped out half the population before the tsunami ever got anywhere near there.

Also, tsunamis can be caused by any number of things, including manmade events.

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That hasn't been recorded in forty years.

And in the grand scheme of geologic time, it won't even have been noticed. Unless some iota of the wave's passing is recorded in the sediment and actually lasts long enough to be fossilized, which is doubtful, given the way humans muck about with stuff.

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And yes, these people are too poor and deprived to move from where they were born and where their ancestors were born.

No. No one is so poor that they cannot move. Even if it means literally walking somewhere else. Unless you are physically chained down or looking across a chasm of molten fire, you can move. And before the "family" line comes into it, not everyone has family or has an immediate family that would be affected.

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A lot of them live in such a state of poverty that no one in this country could imagine it.

Except the people in this country that also live in it.

I don't know their level of poverty, but I do know the kind that sucks your soul into a deep pit and leaves you a useless blob of organs with no hope, no future, and no way out, save one. Four years ago, I would have welcomed a tsunami.

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I guess that means we should evacuate California and Japan.

We don't have to, no biggie. Besides, how many people would actually leave? The people who chose to live there certainly know the risks, so if they do die in a natural disaster, it's not like it wasn't expected. It's realistic to expect that. Not sadistic.

Anyway, that's about it. Unless you want to bring the "global warming" idiocies into it, in which case I will not even be able to beat down the myths and massive inaccurracies without causing my head to explode from the sheer stupidity of all. Though I'm sure my doctor would be thrilled since he's been trying to get my blood pressure up to normal levels for years...

And I know this has taken so long to type that the thread is probably dead, but if I don't get it out, I might also risk making my doctor happy. Besides, since 'flate pointed it out, I felt the need to confirm what a sadistic, cruel bitch I really am by thinking none of those people matter. I just tend to think in global terms, rather than individual ones. In individual terms, it all hurts a lot. In global terms, it really is very little more than a scoop of the bucket. Roughly, 100,000 is 1/6,000 of the population. Bucket.

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pslock
January 1, 2005 10:17 PM

I can't remember who said it (I think it may have been Terry Gilliam) but it went something like "If you can find humor in anything, you have the ultimate sense of humor." I have no problem with comics about the tsunami disaster. The problem is that they're not funny. Also: typically the best comics made during a time of something bad going on are usually not made at the EXPENSE of the people the disaster is happening to. I'm one of those who thinks that humor is an awesome weapon against the depressions and disasters of reality, but it must be wielded in a smart fashion. I'm not offended by the lousy comics (those doing good for the victims are of far more importance than getting upset over a few moronic comments), but on the same token if you're going to take a dip into that daring and dark pool of making comics about the disaster...make them count at least.

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BobRogers
January 1, 2005 10:19 PM

Better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all.

BobRogers

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not_Scyess
January 1, 2005 11:08 PM

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I actually thought #1 was pretty funny, though not_Scyess's remake made me snerk out loud.
Yay! Score one for the not_Scy-ster.
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/comics/BobRogers/263968/
That's better. Get rid of the narration in the first panel. Either your reader has read the previous comics or not. If he has, then he doesn't need to be told where he is. If he hasn't, no worries; the background of the greater plot in this particular strip doesn't matter. It can be funny without it.

Consider getting rid of the narration, and prepending the sentence "You've drowned" to the angel's 1st panel dialog -- otherwise the comic won't make sense on its own. Then, instead of having the reaper in the last panel say "! ? ? ?" or whatnot, say something that's actually witty, such as "Man, I need to cut back on the Prozac." And you might as well make the reaper the angel in that last panel; there's no reason to switch characters.

Oh, wait a minute... we've moved to the FGH forum. Well, you all suck and should be ashamed of yourselves for letting 150,000 people die, or whatever. blah blah blah. growl, piss, moan!

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Inflatable_Man
January 1, 2005 11:25 PM

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There, now do you feel better for exposing me as the hatemongering bitch I really am? Me too.

I didn't mean that and I'm sorry if that's how you took it. Just because I found one off-hand comment of your's kinda messed up and inappropriate, doesn't mean I think you're a bitch. I actually think you're a really funny stripper and an awesome person and I hope we can still be cool with each other.

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areallystupidguy
January 2, 2005 2:09 AM

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Yup. Especially since Laramie is in the direct path of the shit that Yellowstone will bring. Personally, I'm rooting for it to happen in my lifetime. Of course we'll get up to 28 days of warning before it goes...

Yellowstone is gonna kick ass. I'm just north of the Wyoming border so I'm gonna be RIGHT there when it happens. In less than 20 seconds after it goes I'll be reduced to ash. I can't wait!

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dcomposed
January 2, 2005 8:10 AM

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ivytheplant
January 2, 2005 8:53 AM

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Just because I found one off-hand comment of your's kinda messed up and inappropriate, doesn't mean I think you're a bitch.

Maybe I'm trying too hard.

The remark about the release valve wasn't really off hand. I've pondered (and gotten into discussions) about that. Mostly in the way it happens all over nature in one form or another. Our conclusion was it's the same principle applied to humans, but because of that pesky sentience/soul/religion thing, it seems wrong.

Speaking of wrong and tasteless, time for work.

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ivytheplant
January 2, 2005 8:55 AM

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Yellowstone is gonna kick ass. I'm just north of the Wyoming border so I'm gonna be RIGHT there when it happens. In less than 20 seconds after it goes I'll be reduced to ash. I can't wait!

When it goes, I'm gonna call my mom on my cell. "Guess what!? Yellowstone just blew--"

*beepbeepbeepbeepbeep*

Ironically, California will be safe. Provided Yellowstone doesn't set anything there off...

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andydougan
January 2, 2005 9:34 AM


"Oh no! Some quasi-literate teenager made gags about us on AOL! How will we cope?"

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DragonXero
January 2, 2005 10:00 AM

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Ironically, California will be safe. Provided Yellowstone doesn't set anything there off...
I'll be safe anyway. I live WAAAAY up north, so the earthquakes won't affect me much. There will likely be much sloshing of our pool, but for the most part, that'll just make us closer to the beach. YAY BEACH!

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Zaster
January 2, 2005 10:45 AM

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"Oh no! Some quasi-literate teenager made gags about us on AOL! How will we cope?"
Heh. That does put the matter in perspective, I suppose.

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not_Scyess
January 2, 2005 11:49 AM

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"Oh no! Some quasi-literate teenager made gags about us on AOL! How will we cope?"
Awesome.

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jools
January 2, 2005 11:51 AM

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"Oh no! Some quasi-literate teenager made gags about us on AOL! How will we cope?"
Well done, that man.

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JESUSSANDWICH
January 2, 2005 5:21 PM

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kaufman
January 2, 2005 7:04 PM

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People who don't want to potentially be killed by natural disasters caused by plate tectonics shouldn't fucking live on one of the most seismically active places on the planet!
Ok, so that basically wipes out the whole Pacific Rim as habitable, but consider that the tsunami crossed the whole expanse of the Indian Ocean and caused fatalities in East Africa. Were the Somalis supposed to be concerned about a seismic hotspot thousands of miles away?

So, okay, we add to our places not to live those susceptible to tsunamis, volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, avalanches, mudslides, Tunguska events, and plagues of locusts, and as a result, the entire world's population is forced to live in a small apartment building in Luxembourg.

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Besides, I can't wait til the fault under New York city goes. Unlike California's faults, it's had no pressure released since it's last quake and no one is prepared for it cause no one thinks there's anything to worry about other than the usual daily crap. It's gonna be freaking huge.
Unlike California, it's not the site of plates grinding against each other and building up massive pressure. Why should such a quake be massive and/or imminent? I haven't heard about it being risky on the scale of New Madrid -- not that that has given us A Big One in a couple centuries.

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kaufman
January 2, 2005 7:06 PM

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Anyone here remember my little toss of kerosene into the fire back in 2001?

Yeah, *that* disaster.

I made a comic about it, not expecting the outcry, and ended up being hated for hours. I did apologize for the comic, and I think I ended up getting brad to delete it and the thread I created for it.


You had hair before that. Interesting, no?

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possums
January 2, 2005 7:12 PM

Can anyone be more tasteless? Yes. Yes they can.

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andydougan
January 2, 2005 7:21 PM

Who could be such a heartless monster?

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possums
January 2, 2005 7:23 PM

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andydougan
January 2, 2005 7:31 PM

Though I'm keen to take credit for his masterly canon, I have to admit that rumours of my being redbrute are exaggerated. I still suspect Kajun.

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possums
January 2, 2005 7:38 PM

Oh come on. And I suppose lukket was that "pedantic" fellow?

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ivytheplant
January 2, 2005 7:41 PM

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Unlike California, it's not the site of plates grinding against each other and building up massive pressure. Why should such a quake be massive and/or imminent? I haven't heard about it being risky on the scale of New Madrid -- not that that has given us A Big One in a couple centuries.

It's not just the bump and grind of plates that make earthquakes. If that was true, the midwest would have nohing to worry about but drunken cheese heads. Intracontinental faults also cause a buttload of earthquakes. It's like if you have a plate of dry fudge and start pressing, pulling, and sliding them around against each other. Cracks will appear within each piece of fudge and even if nothing is really moving on the edges of the fudge, pressure will make the cracks split or move independantly of the fudge edges.

The New Madrid fault is one of the intracontinental faults. It's released pressure fairly routinely so while the quakes it gives off will be fairly sizable, they won't be catastrophic. The intracontinental faults that stretch from Ohio, through New York, and into Canada have only released minor pressure, in the 1700's and 1800's. Neither of those were really enough to do anything and compared to the pressure built versus pressure released of the New Madrid, that fault is going to be catastrophic when it goes. Now, it might give off a couple farts of pressure here and there, but unless the releases are at least a 7.0, when the big one happens, it will be catastrophic.

Everyone worries about California and, to a lesser extent, the New Madrid, but it's the ones we don't expect that will really nab us. That whole hubris thing again. "There's a major fault running through New York? Silly person, this is The Big Apple! Nothing like that happens here!"

*hourglass icon*

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umfumdisi
January 2, 2005 8:58 PM

First, I read all the reaction. Then, I read the "offending" comic. It was pretty good, if a bit wordy, but, hey, I know wordy; we're good pals. Since BR used the tsunami to have Satan play a joke on Grim, I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's not like he danced on dead orphans or something...

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EvilZak
January 2, 2005 9:45 PM

And even if he did, who cares? It's not like the orphans felt any pain, after all, they were dead. So stop picking on us dead orphan dancer-onners.

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MikeyG
January 3, 2005 7:53 AM

Graham Chapman, of Monty Python fame, was absolutely enamored of bad taste. I find a certain amount of bad taste enjoyable, which is obvious to anyone who's spoken to me for more than 5 minutes.

I disagree with just about everybody here, especially little_kitty. There is no defined amount of time after a tragedy that people should refrain from making jokes. To do that would be nothing short of censorship. Some people's thresholds for bad taste and black humor are higher than others, and some people have no tolerance at all. It's a matter of personal taste, which can't be dictated by any one person or group of people, or even a committee. While my sympathies for tragedy are great and deep, I can most certainly make a joke or two about it. I tend to joke about the things that bother me the most. Like my anus.

Let's all try not to jump on someone else just for their bad taste. It's so much more fun to jump on people for their inability to be remotely funny.

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UnknownEric
January 3, 2005 9:28 AM

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Graham Chapman, of Monty Python fame, was absolutely enamored of bad taste.
I was just watching Python on BBC America yesterday and marveling at what they got away with that would get them hung by both the left AND right today. Eric Idle's minstrel act during the Attila the Hun sketch is the one that immediately comes to mind. But it's funny as all hell, which vindicates it in my mind.

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Zaster
January 3, 2005 10:37 AM

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There is no defined amount of time after a tragedy that people should refrain from making jokes. To do that would be nothing short of censorship.
Let's not go overboard. If you make a joke that people find offensive and they bust your nuts for it, they're not censoring you. They're expressing an opinion; one which you're free to take to heart, ignore, or laugh off as you see fit.

I think bad taste has it's place in humor. Then again, I think there is something to be said for good taste as well. After all, society is full of tasteless and tedious bullcrap just waiting to be made fun of. That puts tragedies way down on the list of targets for me, personally.

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