For everyone who thinks this war should end NOW, check out this site: Peace in Iraq Now!

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

Lo, the return of the fearsome black dragon Xero had been foretold by the Prophet in days of yore. "The heavens shall open," said he, "and from them shall pour a torrent, nay, a monsoon of senseless posts, and they will fill up every forum to the limit. The great dragon shall stretch his iron-clad wings across the sky, and laugh mightily at the suffering. And this storm shall last for four and twenty hours, and many shall drown. Then, as suddenly as he arrived, the dragon shall fly off. Yet know that surely, as always, he shall one day return."

Public service announcement: don't click the link. It just opens a bunch of annoying pop-up windows.

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The what mentioned above is total fiction. Please don't take it seriously!

If only he were brave enough to face Trogdor. However, we know that Trogdor would simply burninate his ass along with the peasants and thatched roof cottages.

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The woman said, "Sir, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea." Churchill replied "madame, if you were my wife, I'd drink it.

Trogdor? Trogdor.. where have I heard that name before? Trogdor.. trogd- NOW I REMEMBER! Troggie the Groggy! He was in my rookery. Ah yes, Trogdor. Everyone teased him.

Oh, and Evil_D, I didn't think this post was any more senseless than all the "stop the war!" posts. But then, I guess some people think protesting is going to do more than block traffic and make a few people's days more difficult than they would have been.

Hey, it's your right to speak out as you wish, but it does little good. You wanna stop the killing, go jump in front of a Iraqi soldier to keep him from harm.

Or you could just stand there, they'll pull you in front of them anyway.

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

I think protests make sense, at least a historical context. It won't change President Moron's mind, but at least no one is going to look back 20 years from now and say, "Yep, the American People were right on board with that war and were really supportive of it."

I can't wait to vote this idiot back to Texas.

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...Trot and Cap'n Bill were free from anxiety and care. Button-Bright never worried about anything. The Scarecrow, not being able to sleep, looked out of the window and tried to count the stars.

I agree with DX, sure, I would have taken part in the protests BEFORE it all started. But it's started now, people have died, it wont end until it's over, there's really no point in standing in the street annoying everyone in your own city.

I fail to see what it'd do historically either, telling people that I was so opposed to the war that I took a day off work and made an ass of myself in the street isn't anything compared to actually tooling up and dragging my intellectually superior ass over to the desert and actually doing something that mattered.

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But it wouldn't've made any difference protesting before the war, either. So why bother even then?

Because it wasn't official, there was still the belief that standing in the streets and waving banners meant something, but now it's like running around screaming "HITLER IS EVIL!", protestors aren't saying anything that anyone with half a brain doesn't already know.

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The thing that kills me isn't that we're at war, it's how we went about it. In the long run, inspections probably wouldn't have worked, and Saddam would have to be forced out.. err... by force.

But the way the administration got into this... we look like warmongers who were hell-bent on attacking Iraq no matter what. Any measure of international good will and cooperation that we got for being attacked on 9/11 has been pissed away. Either Bush and his advisors are incredible blunderers, or they purposely failed at diplomacy in order to weaken the influence of the U.N. Conservatives have this fear of U.N. hegemony, and I wouldn't put a trick like that past them.

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...Trot and Cap'n Bill were free from anxiety and care. Button-Bright never worried about anything. The Scarecrow, not being able to sleep, looked out of the window and tried to count the stars.

And these chickenhawks can't even run a good one. They started the ground war too early and they are fucking up their supply chain. Didn't these numbnuts ever play Risk?

There is never a wrong time to speaking out for peace. It may look like you going to fail in stopping violence - and most often you will given history. But every once in a while non-violent protest has topple empire builders.

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet

I'm surprised no one bothered to mention how the protests were carried out in the same bull-headed, my-way-or-the-highway kind of method that Dubya used to carry out his own plans.

Not to say that I agree with the method. You guys merely watched people get held up in traffic-- I had to live it!

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I think protests make sense, at least a historical context. It won't change President Moron's mind, but at least no one is going to look back 20 years from now and say, "Yep, the American People were right on board with that war and were really supportive of it."

I can't wait to vote this idiot back to Texas.

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Personally, I can see the case for war and the case against it. I'm glad I wasn't the one who had to make the decisions.

What I can also see, however, is how the GWB compeletely fucked up in explaining the reasons for war. Liberating Iraq? What about all the people oppressed by various African dictatorships? Supporting UN mandates? What's the point if you have to go against the UN to do it? Anti-terrorism? What evidence has anyone been given -- besides Saddam's cheering the WTC attacks -- that any terrorism is going on inside Iraq?

When I said I can see both sides, obviously, I had to work pretty hard to see past the "official" reasons to find any legitimate ones for the attack.

Not to mention that all these completely separate reasons have nothing to do with each other; they sit together like a big pile of excuses. And calling it Operation Iraqi Freedom... Jesus. What fucking lame-ass public-pandering feel-good bullshit nomenclature THAT is.

HA! If you really think that than at least his moronicness has good company. ;> National opinion poles don't love the war but they're not down enough to boot him before the election. I think he might actually win it.

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peddling the funny around since 09/24/2002

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HA! If you really think that than at least his moronicness has good company. ;> National opinion poles don't love the war but they're not down enough to boot him before the election. I think he might actually win it.

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Assuming we aren't at war, it will still depend on how the economy is doing. If the economy is still in the dumpers around, say, the July before the presidential election, watch for Bush to get into some sort of military conflict or fight with the U.N.. After 3 years, he won't be able to blame the economy on 9/11, and any "stimulus packages" would be shown to have been ineffective.

The other half is who the Democrats put up as a candidate. I want someone who speaks his mind, follows his concience, and doesn't try to be everything to everybody. That's why I like Howard Dean.

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...Trot and Cap'n Bill were free from anxiety and care. Button-Bright never worried about anything. The Scarecrow, not being able to sleep, looked out of the window and tried to count the stars.

...which is another thing that pisses me off, since the President has little control over the economy -- and what control he has he should only use in the most dire circumstances. Yet everyone and his dog things that if the economy's in a slump, it's the President's fault. Man, people are stupid.

What did George Bush to do hurt the economy? (That is, not counting the long-term harm his tax-cuts + big-spending will do after he's long retired.)
What did Bill Clinton ever do to help it?
What did Bush Sr. ever do to hurt it?
What did Reagan do to help it? (Okay, he spent fuckloads of government money on defense to help it -- but that didn't help it in long long run, did it? Man, people are stupid.)

...in other words, you want someone who can't possibly win.

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peddling the funny around since 09/24/2002

Don't know what he did for the economy, but I know of something that he did for the ecology-- he removed a provision from the Clean Air Act that required SUVs and light trucks to meet fuel and emission standards by 2003.

See, there are PLENTY of reasons to hate Bush!

Clinton spent less than he took in. Raygun, Bush and W spend more than they take in. The economy sucked with Raygun too. I know that formula works with my home economy.

And that will be what decides if he's prez next time - that and we'll see if there are any viable Dems alive by then.

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"Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!" Janice the Muppet

...the reason for this, of course, is that the economy was still under the tech bubble while Clinton was in office. People were spending and stocks were going up long past where it should have all stopped. More income equals more tax revenue. Now we're seeing the aftermath of the disproportionate spending under Bush. But it's nothing Bush or Clinton did.

Of course, Bush's short-sighted tax cuts -- which reduce taxes (good!) without reducing spending (bad!) -- will drive up the government deficit, but won't have any short-term effect on the economy.

If you recall, the economy started sliding before anything Bush could've done would've had any effect, anyway. Only he didn't do anything (to that effect).

But if you must vote Dem, vote Braun! Support the underdog!

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peddling the funny around since 09/24/2002

Whatever happened to Schwarzenegger for president?

Iraq would have disarmed years ago.

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And you know what Hell is, folks. It's Andy Gibb, singing 'Shadowdancing' for aeons and aeons...

He'll be back!

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peddling the funny around since 09/24/2002

Can't we vote him totally off the island. I don't want him in Texas. I live in Texas.

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"Nothing expresses the brutal grandeur of rectal polyps and anal fistulae quite like the mother-tongue of Goethe."

If they had they would have learned one important lession. Whenever one nation (player) got too big, the others had a tendecy to gang up and take chunks out of the big nation.

In real life, if we act too big for our britches and fail to take into account the feelings and needs of the other nations in the world, it could easily become a very lonely and scary place.

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"Nothing expresses the brutal grandeur of rectal polyps and anal fistulae quite like the mother-tongue of Goethe."

I agree. Here I am, minding my own business, building my civilization, never warring with anyone, and then all of a sudden the dick-headed Egyptians threaten me for Motorized Transporation, I refuse, and they and the Iroquois both gang up on me!

So while I was at it, I barrelled through some of their cities and took over some coal that I had desperately needed, so I could start building railroads.

What were we talking about again?

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What did George Bush to do hurt the economy?

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