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FinnNYC
May 4, 2005 11:04 AM

How do I get into the Top Rated mutual back-slap circle jerk union (TRMBSCJ local 706) so I can have my stank-ass comics debut at #1 every day?

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MikeyG
May 4, 2005 11:07 AM

Make a good comic.

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attitudechicka
May 4, 2005 11:37 AM

Because my comics are ALWAYS at #1...

Look, we all rate comics fairly. None of us rates a comic "good" just because it's a friend of ours. I vote "good" on anything that makes me laugh out loud, "okay" on anything that gets an internal laugh, and "bad" on anything that's below that internal laugh par. I have rated some comics bad from people who ordinarily get a "good" vote from me simply because I thought the comic was bad. It doesn't matter how I feel about the person personally, and this is not the issue here. Sure there are a few people out there who can't control themselves and don't play fair, but I think most of us are honest in our ratings. And I don't appriciate you accusing me or anyone else of otherwise.

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not_Scyess
May 4, 2005 11:47 AM

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Look, we all rate comics fairly.
That's a pretty broad statement. Do you really think every donor rates comics fairly?

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PhreakyChinchilla
May 4, 2005 12:04 PM

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Look, we all rate comics fairly.
That's a pretty broad statement. Do you really think every donor rates comics fairly?


I definitely don't think everyone rates comics fairly, but I do feel that the great comics are rated appropriately because you can't deny their quality. I, myself, try to rate them fairly and in a nonbiased way. That doesn't mean I always do it, but I try.

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attitudechicka
May 4, 2005 12:07 PM

If you'd read on I admitted to there being a few strays, but for the most part, I think we all rate comics according to our own personal tastes.

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FinnNYC
May 4, 2005 12:25 PM

I've been watching the Top Rated cycle for as long as all of you I'm sure. here's what I've seen:

1. Comic debuts and appears shortly thereafter with a score of 9.5 - 10

2. Comic is voted on by people that watch the list and almost always moves rapidly south (some really funny comics stay at or near the top of course)

This leads me to believe that in the day prior to the list refresh, that comic is being hit and rated only by people that either think it is damn funny or just want to up it's score.

I like to think that I have a good sense of humor but i'll admit that I am a harsh critic. What I find hard to believe is that in the day prior to the list refresh EVERY viewer, of what I think can only be an okay or bad comic, thought that comic was awesome.

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KajunFirefly
May 4, 2005 12:33 PM

If you are waiting for comics to appear on the toprated list before you read them, then yes, the new ones will probably all be scored 8-10. Because it takes a couple of votes for it to get there in the first place. Unless it's a comic posted in the forums, the only people who will have gone to the user's homepage to read it will be regular readers of theirs, fans if you will.

Let's say that myself, Scyess and Boorite all read Dougan's comics regularly, because we enjoy them. There's more chance that we'll rate his comics "good", because we like them. Once they appear on the toprated, other people will see this comic with a perfect score and read it, then they wont understand it because they are stupid and wrong and they'll rate it bad.

That's how it works.

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FinnNYC
May 4, 2005 12:47 PM

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then they wont understand it because they are stupid and wrong and they'll rate it bad.

That's how it works.



Haha! Thank you. That's why this is in FGH. I appreciate your spirit.

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MikeyG
May 4, 2005 12:50 PM

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Let's say that myself, Scyess and Boorite all read Dougan's comics regularly, because we enjoy them.


You must have been speaking hypothetically.

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Zaster
May 4, 2005 4:38 PM

I once caught a thread in which someone admitted to being part of a cabal of folks circle jerking each others' comics up the list. Haven't bothered to look at the top-rated page since.

Simple solutions to simple problems.

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niteowl
May 4, 2005 6:54 PM

What I love is when a rated comic's score goes down, even though there have been no new ratings on said comic. That's happened to me twice. Oh well.

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NooniePuuBunny
May 4, 2005 7:02 PM

What I want to know is...

HOW THE HELL DID THAT STUPID ASS TIMMY THE TAMPON COMIC OF MINE GET RATED A 5?!

>_<

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Spankling
May 4, 2005 8:00 PM

Can I sit next to Noonie for the circle jerk?

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choadwarrior
May 4, 2005 8:05 PM

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I once caught a thread in which someone admitted to being part of a cabal of folks circle jerking each others' comics up the list. Haven't bothered to look at the top-rated page since.

Simple solutions to simple problems.


That might have been me you were interpreting incorectly. One night on #stripcreator, Brad made a page of all the comics that were one vote away from appearing on toprated. BigEvilDan and I went into a rating frenzy, voting on damn-near every comic on that list. I think Ivy and chicka joined the fun too while they were in there. That surge in the number of comics on the toprated page caused more people to vote on a daily basis and to vote on the comics that magically appeared on the list overnight. Now Brad has added the voting feature in forums, there is even more activity on the toprated page.

While Dan, the others and I were voting for each others' comics that were on the pending-toprating page, it was simply because they appeared there and we certainly propelled a number of comics by others onto toprated--many by users I had never even heard of. I would guess that we viewed each comic and applied our general voting criteria to each of them--as I did. If they were good, they were good, if they were okay, they were okay, if they were bad, they were bad.

Otherwise, I'd say that the voting by donors is more-or-less as kajun has described it. There are users out there who get a disproportionally large number of good votes out of me because I love their comics, not because they are in my supercool clique. The only time I ever went overboard with rating a user was Chooby--I rated every choobychooby comic good because I truly believe each and every comic of his is a gem. I probably would have been more selective with that if he had as many comics as Kaufman or that sexy beast AccentuateNegative, but unfortunately, chooby's output is snail's pace so I didn't have to be as selective.

As for me, I don't rate a lot of comics as "okay" if I read them in the forums or on the front page. I try to give legs to the comics I think are really funny by voting them "good." Although I do go through the Stumping Thread about once a month and rate comics that have been posted since the last time I lurked there.

Having said all that, Finn, I think you're funny and I should rate you more often.

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Spankling
May 4, 2005 8:16 PM

Comic rating?!?!?

* Spankling pulls up his pants and leaves *

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possums
May 4, 2005 9:16 PM

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Look, we all rate comics fairly.
That's a pretty broad statement. Do you really think every donor rates comics fairly?


Absolutely not. I can attest to rating half of chicka's comics "bad." Most of them deserved it.

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Brad
May 4, 2005 10:08 PM

The top rated list is generally going to favor users who are popular within the Stripcreator community. That's the most reliable way to get over the biggest hurdle: getting more than 3 votes on a single comic. And if people are reading your comics, they're more likely to vote positively, giving your comic a high initial score.

As choad described, a while back the top rated page had stagnated and I did a bunch of junk just to get it moving again. There was like a 250,000 comic backlog and that list shouldn't have been standing still unless nobody was voting. It's bound to be kind of nuts and erratic until that backlog of voting dries up a bit.

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Brad
May 4, 2005 10:17 PM

Also it's important to keep in mind, when getting political about comic scores, that having a high score and a lot of votes is the most impressive thing.

Wirthling's "You've got cancer!" comic for instance is the most loved comic on the site with 52 votes and a score of 8.27, which is pretty impressive.

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cpausti
May 5, 2005 12:08 AM

Don't take this as bragging, but I have quite a few comics in the toprated thing. And, being a n00b, I'm not a member of an "inner sanctum of donors." Just post a bunch of your best ones in RMDC and the magic should happen.

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fuzzyman
May 5, 2005 2:53 AM

Not to make things more complicated, but maybe it should take 10 votes or more to be truly top-rated, and anything with 4 - 9 votes would be on a separate "up and coming" list.

Or you could work out some calculation where a strip with 52 votes and a score of 8.5 has a higher ranking than something with 4 votes and a 9. But I think the "two list" idea above might be easier to understand.

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niteowl
May 5, 2005 4:42 AM

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Not to make things more complicated, but maybe it should take 10 votes or more to be truly top-rated, and anything with 4 - 9 votes would be on a separate "up and coming" list.
That's a great idea.

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andydougan
May 5, 2005 6:04 AM

*opens packet of biscuits*

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FinnNYC
May 5, 2005 8:00 AM

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Comic rating?!?!?

* Spankling pulls up his pants and leaves *



Hahaha!

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FinnNYC
May 5, 2005 8:09 AM

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Wirthling's "You've got cancer!" comic for instance is the most loved comic on the site with 52 votes and a score of 8.27, which is pretty impressive.

I do so love that comic. Several times I've relayed that comic verbally to friends and, because I can't tell a joke, butchered it terribly effectively removing all humor from it.

Anyway... that comic should be #1.

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Brad
May 5, 2005 8:41 AM

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Wirthling's "You've got cancer!" comic for instance is the most loved comic on the site with 52 votes and a score of 8.27, which is pretty impressive.

I do so love that comic. Several times I've relayed that comic verbally to friends and, because I can't tell a joke, butchered it terribly effectively removing all humor from it.

Anyway... that comic should be #1.



I guess the thing to keep in mind is that anything with less than 10 votes is probably going to drop severely in the ratings once more people vote on it.

As Fuzzyman suggested, I could make it so that you need more votes to make the list, but then the list would rarely change.

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Brad
May 5, 2005 8:57 AM

The top rated list will now be updated twice a day.

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KajunFirefly
May 5, 2005 9:53 AM

When I check the toprated list my thinking tends to be "oh look at the new comics at the top of the list", then when I read them, I might think "yeah, that's funny, but is it really funnier than 'You've Got Cancer'? Nah, it's just "okay".

That being said, I tend not to vote a comic okay. In my opinion "okay" is like saying "not worth an opinion", so I won't bring a comic's rating down just because I couldn't make a decision wether I liked it or not.

But that's just me.

Also, I think possums has proved whoever it was that started this thread right.

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flipynif1
May 5, 2005 9:57 AM

I agree

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Drexle
May 5, 2005 10:26 AM

Hardly any strips are as good as "you've got cancer." You can't use that as a milestone unless the rating system is expanded to be a 1-10 scale where something like You've Got Cancer could be rated 10 and anything less funny but funny none the less could be an 8 or 9.

I do in fact rate comics "okay." A lot of them. Because a lot of them are decently funny, okay strips... but they're not hilarious.

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KajunFirefly
May 5, 2005 10:34 AM

Yeah, I'm not saying that my way of thinking is right. It's not an all-encompassing theory, there are comics above YGC that I rate good. But there have been times where I think that maybe I'd like a comic more if it wasn't sitting at the top of the list claiming to be the best.

Bringing back the 1-10 rating system might not be a bad idea, nor would Fuzzy's two list idea.

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dcomposed
May 5, 2005 10:38 AM

I rate comics bad if they're higher than my highest rated comic.

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andydougan
May 5, 2005 10:49 AM

Couldn't the order be determined by a formula that uses number of votes as a variable, and not just as a tie-breaker? Under that system, "YGC" would be top.

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FinnNYC
May 5, 2005 10:58 AM

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The top rated list will now be updated twice a day.

...And my mom said I'd never make a diference.

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KajunFirefly
May 5, 2005 11:25 AM

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Couldn't the order be determined by a formula that uses number of votes as a variable, and not just as a tie-breaker? Under that system, "YGC" would be top.
Shouldn't you be making comics about the election? I almost didn't vote because I forgot it was on. Just doesn't seem right without a dougan series telling me who's a cunt and who's more of a cunt.

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fuzzyman
May 6, 2005 2:42 AM

It looks like Brad has changed the sort order to number of votes, then rating.

That seems like a solution.

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kramer_vs_kramer
May 6, 2005 5:12 AM

But wouldn't that mean a comic lots of people rate bad is going to appear higher than a comic slightly less people have voted on but that is rated better?

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KajunFirefly
May 6, 2005 8:54 AM

Yes.

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Brad
May 6, 2005 9:00 AM

Yeah I was messing around with it yesterday and tried this way out. It's not very awesome this way.

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dcomposed
May 6, 2005 9:18 AM

oh so it's the same as it was before

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UnknownEric
May 6, 2005 9:45 AM

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Just doesn't seem right without a dougan series telling me who's a cunt and who's more of a cunt.
I'm not dougan, nor a British citizen, nor a cunt, but...

284651

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MikeyG
May 6, 2005 9:55 AM

Great comic, Eric.

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kaufman
May 6, 2005 11:48 AM

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Yeah I was messing around with it yesterday and tried this way out. It's not very awesome this way.
True. What would be awesome would be for users to be able to click on any of the five column headers and have the table be sorted by that item.

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andydougan
May 6, 2005 11:59 AM

No! We can't have any ambiguity about what's the top-rated comic!

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areallystupidguy
May 6, 2005 3:13 PM

Why does everyone like 'You've Got Cancer'? It's not even that funny.

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andydougan
May 6, 2005 4:11 PM

In the context of the contest it appeared in, it's hilarious. Outside of that I still think it's pretty good.

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Zaster
May 6, 2005 4:49 PM

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That might have been me you were interpreting incorectly. One night on #stripcreator, Brad made a page of all the comics that were one vote away from appearing on toprated. BigEvilDan and I went into a rating frenzy, voting on damn-near every comic on that list.
I believe you are probably right. I caught a casual remark about this and took it out of context. Since I'm kinda sour on the vox populi in general lately, I guess I wanted to believe some self-serving chicanery was afoot.

Sorry about that.

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JESUSSANDWICH
May 10, 2005 11:03 AM

WILD IN THE STREETS!

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dcomposed
June 13, 2005 10:44 AM

today i was going through the pending rating list and i rated one of chicka's comics okay. i then saw it had a 0 rating before and changed my vote to bad. later i realised that was mean and went to change it back, but i read the comic again and decided i thought it deserved the bad.

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not_Scyess
June 14, 2005 1:59 PM

Where is that list, again?

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