I'm starting this so Luckyguess, Chucky O'Duckman, and the SC Fundie Duo can argue their points without pissing off the mods.

Have at it, buckaroos.

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It was such a waste of everyone’s time and money that even the Tokyo stadium’s rape robots apologized– something they were programmed specifically never to do.

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ChuckaDuck,

I don't quite understand your phrases in the first paragraph.

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I'm speechless with admiration Chuckaduck. Your ability to argue the toss is awe inspiring.

It's all in the wrist...of the hand........in my pants...

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God is a kid with an ant farm. He built it, he put the people in, and now he just sits back and watches what happens. He has virtually no control over anything the inhabitants of his creation do, but he could destroy them all in a matter of moments.

*bows and quietly trots out*

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More lust than you can shake a stick at.

While that's a good metaphor to make one think, that's not at all the God written about in the Bible.

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ChuckaDuck,

I don't quite understand your phrases in the first paragraph.

Paragraph 2: Wow! this is strange, and you knew I was going to say something. Adams fall from grace was harsh, but just in the since that God told him you can eat of everything but this tree ( friut on the tree that is ). Adam although he had God with him was lonely, and as that result made adam a companion which was eve. You could say that this is where soulmate is from. So the devil convinced women to convince man to eat of the forbiden fruit. and the rest is pretty much punishment. God does love his creation, and we are his children, so do parents not punish there children for wrong doings. That is where Jesus comes in, he sent him to save us. Addam did have compassion and all that, but the devil's abilty to give Adam and Eve the boldness to eat the fruit hurt them. so that has to do with free will. And that perfection was lost when he ate the fruit.

Paragraph 3: God will never forget us, in fact he probably cries when his children sin. his miracle light is everywhere if look for it. see, God and his son spread their light to their children. My question to you is do think christians are different from others in terms of morales and actions ( talking about true believers ). The earth is another miracle. Just look for them. so the truth is that if you let him he talks to lost souls not the physical being that you see in front of you.

Paragraph 4: He is all powerful, but nothing could create this in a few minutes. God loves us and wouldn't let the devil take all his children therefore he went and told the only ritcheous( not spelled right) man to save himself of the flood, and if you read the bible it says the noah tried warning everyone he could but they didn't listen. you answered the fre will question, he wants us to love him willingly ( no robots ). he did see that satan would betray him your correct there. If someone is all powerful than the might of thier very presense would be to much. In short its all on Faith.

Paragraph 5: I think your messing with free will again. but if not please explain again. Jesus was a must to save us.

Paragraph 6: what scripture of romans have you read. free will again, so if you choose to sin it is your own doing, but Jesus is giveing you a chance to ask for forgiveness. No one is perfect of the result of Adam, but that is what forgiveness is for.

Paragraph 7: First of all, If you don't want to be tortured for eternity than why is it so difficult to get saved? Jesus speaks to you through others on salvation if they let him.

Final Paragraph: I look foward to when I die seeing, praising, and being in heaven with my King, Saviour, and Father in total happiness with no suffering. If he would have done that with Adam than you wouldn't have the chance to accept Jesus and go to heaven. Also your right we are bound to sin, but forgiveness is a powerful thing, so true believers are perfect ENOUGH.

do you understand, All of this is pretty much based on Faith in all that was written.

If there any other questions than just ask.

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Forsooth! The Lord thy God shall smiteth upon thee for thine blasphemies. Verily, shall he pour out his fiery vengeance upon thee for thine inequities. Even unto the sons and stepsons of your son's grandsons, he shall cause thine household to be shatteth upon. And lo, there shall be much farting in the land.

That was directed at noone in particular.

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I was gonna send a robot back in time, but I got high.

I used to be quite Christian, until I came to a realisation:

God knows all, past present and future, in all places, right? Before the universe began he knew what would happen in its final seconds. This means that nothing surprises him, nothing ever comes out of left field.

This has serious moral repercussions for me. Before God makes a human being, he already knows every moment of that person's life. He knows all their failures, all their pain, all their sadness, and, mostly importantly, he knows if they'll end up in Heaven at the end of it all.

Now, you can talk all you like about free will and causality, but the fact is, God knew everything that would happen in your life before you ever existed. If he is a loving, just, and omnipotent deity, then this means he [u]chooses[/u] to leave us imperfect, he [u]chooses[/u] to make us sinful, and he [u]chooses[/u] to let us damn ourselves. He could avoid all of this - remember, Scripture tells us that God cannot abide sin, that he totally despises it. Why then does he let it happen and then punish it, rather than preventing it from happening in the first place?

"He can't make us do anything!" the fundies say. "We choose to sin, so it isn't his fault." This is untrue, though - he knows the sin is coming before it happens. He could send us divine signs, send an angel to warn us, or just create us better so we have free will but don't want to sin (and don't tell me he couldn't do that - he can do anything, remember).

So, something is wrong with this picture. God cannot be all of the following: a) loving, b) just, and c) omnipotent. If he were truly loving, he would use his omnipotence to save us from ourselves, or make us better people so we wouldn't need saving in the first place. If he were truly just he wouldn't set us up for failure, knowing in advance every misstep we would make and doing nothing to prevent it. If he were truly omnipotent he would have made the world a better place where shit like this just doesn't happen.

This leaves three options that I can see:

1) God is omnipotent and just (in his own twisted opinion of justice) but he doesn't love us.

2) God is omnipotent and loving, but he has no real concept of justice or fairness - basically, he's a sociopath.

3) God is loving and just, but although he is a big powerful divine being, he is not omniscient, omnipresent, or omnipotent.

There are also the "he doesn't exist at all" arguments, but I am convinced of some kind of benevolent deity, so I've settled on option 3 for now.

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Blah blah blah.

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Legend, oh legend, the third wheel legend...always in the way.

Jesus is dead, santa doesn't exist and neither do smart blondes. Full Stop.

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The dictator of love and his weapon of mass destruction

Call me cynical, but the idea of being coerced into a certain lifestyle and belief system by instilling the fear of going to "hell" seems just a smidge fascist to me. God can take his foot off the throats of his followers at any time now. Big bully.

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Think classy, you'll be classy.

Let's see if I have this straight.

The first humans live in a state of bliss, not knowing good from evil. The only thing they're forbidden is knowledge of good and evil. Then they partake of this knowledge and are punished for doing evil. But at the time that they partake of this knowledge, they don't know good from evil. They can only realize they've done evil after they've partaken of the forbidden knowledge. They're punished for having done evil when they could not possibly have grasped the concept of good or evil or known the difference.

MAKES SENSE! THANKS A MILLION, YAHWEH!

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Why is god, dog backwards?

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The dictator of love and his weapon of mass destruction

I'm not trying to interpret what you're saying. I'm pointing out that it's a little weird to punish creatures who don't know good from evil, and even weirder to punish them for getting the knowledge of good and evil that might have enabled them to make a moral choice in the first place. I mean that's a weird story, and it makes God sound a little crazy. Don't you think?

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I worship cats.

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Yes people will go to hell, those who don't accept Jesus( all has to do with salvation ) it says in the bible ( not exact words ) that Jesus is the one to talk to ( prayer ) to get to God.

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Guy: Let me tell you about salvation. (Tells about salvation.)

Chorus: That makes very little sense.

Guy: Zoom zoom zoom! (Exits.)

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If you feel convicted than all you do is pray to Jesus repent ask him in and for foriveness. That is all I can do for you it is up to you now.

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"I pissed off now, Jo-Buu. I good to you, I stand up for you. If you no help me now...

I say fuck you, Jo-Buu. I do it myself."

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Have you accepted Cthulhu into your hearts? When the Old Ones awaken and reclaim what is thiers, only the faithful shall be spared.

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I was gonna send a robot back in time, but I got high.

I saw Julia Sweeney's "Letting Go of God" last month and it was awesome. I've considered myself Agnostic for most of my life but have moved into the Atheist column in the last decade. Julia Sweeney's Monologue helped me crystalize what moved me there by illustrating the mostly subconsciousl thought process that I went through. I'm just a schlub that examines evidence that is within my reach from the sofa but Julia took her search on the road to the places where she could get direct answers. Her journey from devout Catholic to Atheist is worth documenting in a bible-like tome as a story of logic and reason instead of superstition and faith.

Here's a review

It's a great show that I think anyone would find interesting if not enlightening.

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-=- You eat one lousy foot and they call you a cannibal. What a world. -=-

I heart boorite.

No, no, no. I've learned, and now I'm trying to teach. I'm wanting to challenge your mind and faith with basic logic of the situations the Christian faith is based on.

Ah, but you're misinterpreting this "discussion" (which it isn't, it's points being made to you and you ignoring them). I'm not sitting here basing anything I type on faith in Christianity, faith in Evolutionary Theory, faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I'm sitting here basing every word on consideration of your Holy Bible. If the book in question is unerringly the perfect work of God then every single aspect and statement of it (especially the entire expanse of the Old Testament) must be true and not open from interpretation by mortal ideals. If such is not the case, if one word of it isn't true, your Holy text unravels and becomes meaningless. I'm trying to show that said book could never become meaningless as it never meant anything due to the worthlessness it placed on us from the very first chapter. That and that your supposedly almighty and omnipotent Lord isn't that at all, and as the book claims him as such, it's already based itself inside a sea of false pretences.

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In turn the only comment I have is salvation is your key to the gates of heaven ( in my beleif )...
And you need to challenge that belief and see it for what it is.

You worship false text, you know no such truth in this matter be it that the case.

Read away, you will not find the answers to the questions and comments I have raised. No pastor nor minister can less they abandon the Bible's text in favor of "holy retconning" or snubbing.

Or at all, sorry.

This from one who cannot retell the tale of Adam and the Fall to properly reflect the situation in the ever-loving light that would show that we're not worthless, God is all-powerful, and that "sin" has any validity as something bad.

Then there is no compassion for humanity from Him. Let's rehash what's been said quickly. Per you I am going to Hell and you (let's say) will be going to Heaven. Why is that? Because you've been forgiven? Because you asked if it was okay that you're not perfect? That you're exactly what he made you to be?

So anyways, you're heading through the pearly gates. The entire reason you're there is that you're awaiting the day Christ will swoop down and slaughter evil (yes, slaughter, ask you're local religious leader about that), taking his chosen back with him. The Earth will go through some Revelation-type shit for a while and God will then (per your book my friend) recreate the Earth anew with no sin, no hate, no imperfections. That's the promise, the dream. Most of you Christians leave it as going to Heaven and being done with it. That's simply not the case per the Bible you worship. This raises the instant question of; If your all-powerful (pft) Lord God can recreate this reality with no flaws and he had the foresight to know this would be the case, why create an imperfect world to begin with? Why let so many souls burn in the Hell he created (he is the maker of all, so he created that as well) if he could simply recreate all into perfection?

"those who don't accept Jesus it says in the bible that Jesus is the one to talk to to get to God."

Nice run-on.

Quick repost since it's still valid...

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Simply because an all-powerful entity that seems to have had such a huge hand in vast doings on Earth in the olden days (as shown in the Bible) doesn't feel bothered to drop on by again with another grand miracle to get his point across maybe? Would this little endeavor he seems to be doing out of spiteful boredom (if you're correct that is) not be a tad more successful if he dropped a little show of his holy presence through the sky with all the angels and whatnot and said to all, "Hey there, I'm real, the Bible is an accurate work of my inspiration, and if you don't listen to it and its teachings I'm going to send all of you to hell. B'bye."? If he truly wants results it's better he do it himself rather than laying the task onto people who are both flawed and full of sin themselves, even the best of them. When supposed speakers of God are shown to be doing drugs, having sex with hookers, etc, wouldn't be more prudent (given this is eternity punishment or reward for results produced of a handful of years in this physical life recall) for him to show up himself or use a bit more of that all-powerful stuff of his to show how serious this is?

You might say, "God knew that He would sacrifice Jesus to save us." Which in turn means he had the foresight to know that this would never work out and be perfect, so he knew he'd be creating sin and eternal damnation for those he knew would either not believe in a book written by men (whom bible thumping folks state are full of deceitful words themselves, wink, wink, nudge, nudge) or never know of how important the issue is. Where's my burning bush? I've led a good life. Where's my red sea? If all you say is true I surely don't want to burn for eternity (nice compassion there by the way) so if it's so important for Jesus to save my soul, why doesn't he visit me and have a chat so I can take his word for it over yours and over a book? Isn't a judgment to last an eternity worth that much?

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The funny thing is, I could just keep reposting the entire initial post to anything you say if I chose and I wouldn't lose a bit a validity. Natch.

This isn't about your belief.

"Gasp!" you say?

Correct. As a Christian it's vital your beliefs are in sync to the letter with the holy text of your God. If you start to follow your own beliefs you become compromised in your faith. You cannot step out of the Bible to support it, and unfortunately there's not words on any of the pages to help you here.

This next part makes me giddy.

Definition of the term "image created being" please.

Here it comes!

Today is a date to mark on the calendar of the ages then. You just apologized for the possibility of supporting what your Bible says. Adam and the world with him were created perfect, that's why the Fall was such a big deal.

No, just claiming an eternity (can you fathom eternity?) of eternal punishment for those living as God has created them.

Even though it says in the Bible cling to that which is good, hate that which is evil? (Ask your pastor) Promotion of hate. Gotta love it.

Bullshit. As a Christian it's your life's mission to defend your faith. You need to spend more time at church if the above quoted statement is at all what you truly believe. While you're there ask about some of the stuff here. Heck, feel free to print out my posts and hand deliver them to your pastor. He will not have the answers.

LEAVE THIS PART OUT FOR HIM: He'll probably tell you to not worry about it, trust in God, nothing more, maybe you shouldn't return here. The reasons being he doesn't have the answers to the questions and comments provided and as such can't defend against them with his ministry of hate and bigotry wrapped in a blanket of promises and "love". Go ahead, leave this part out, then compare later.

Why? I'm just fine. I'm happy, healthy and see no reason to ask forgiveness for being myself. So fuggabunchayoooo. :)

*Sigh*

Actually it's all on you.

See you soon I'm sure.

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