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niteowl
February 18, 2004 8:05 PM

Ok, so I decided to go slumming earlier and peruse the RMDC forum where I came across a couple threads where the topic of "comics that mock Christianity" came up.

Personally, I'm not real big on the whole religion thing, so I have no problem with poking fun at religious stuff, as evidenced by quite a few of my strips.

I figured this would be a good topic of discussion. Sorry if there's already been a thread like this before, I'm too damned lazy to go back and look through the oldies.

So...is it right or wrong to mock religion in comics here at SC?

Discuss.

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kaufman February 18, 2004 8:46 PM	It's right to be funny here, whether or not that involves incorporating religious themes. Ideally, the humor will not be too mean-spirited (because then it often ceases to be funny), but rather something both adherents and outsiders can laugh at.
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Spankling February 18, 2004 9:11 PM	http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0218/p11s01-lire.html I say the nutbags are getting out of hand.
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MaKK_BeNN February 18, 2004 9:12 PM	quote: Did someone mention religion? No.
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Spankling February 18, 2004 9:22 PM	Aren't you one of those right-wing nutbags mak? Not that I mind religion when people keep it to themselves. But when they knock on my door or use tax dollars to kill thousands it gets on my nerves.
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pslock February 19, 2004 12:19 AM	It is VERY right to mock religion on StripCreator. So long as it's all the religions that are wrong.
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DragonXero February 19, 2004 1:09 AM	quote: It is VERY right to mock religion on StripCreator. So long as it's all the religions that are wrong. So you're saying no one should ever make fun of The Holy Temple of Spam and Scrambled Eggs, right?
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MikeyG February 19, 2004 6:06 AM	D/X! You magnificent bastard! Good to have you back.
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PhreakyChinchilla February 19, 2004 6:14 AM	Did someone say nutbags?
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MikeyG February 19, 2004 11:06 AM	I did. Nutbags.
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flickguy February 19, 2004 11:10 AM	I thought our Sacred Religion was the Church of Ass...
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laughinginyourface February 19, 2004 1:08 PM	If it is, consider me a member.
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Beaz February 19, 2004 1:37 PM	Destination: Nowhere. Speed: Incredibly Fast.
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Zaster February 19, 2004 3:02 PM	Well, I think we can all agree that the blood of the infidel will flow like a raging torrent of pain into the gaping mouth of eternal hellfire. But otherwise, yes -- comics about religion can be very funny.
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Matchbook_Romance February 19, 2004 4:21 PM	The Holy Communion tastes like breaded paper =D.
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Rabid_Weasle February 19, 2004 4:26 PM	They have high quality wine though.
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DragonXero February 19, 2004 6:17 PM	quote: Destination: Nowhere. Speed: Incredibly Fast. LUDICROUS SPEED!
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Spankling February 19, 2004 8:50 PM	quote: I thought our Sacred Religion was the Church of Ass... Arse or some such feriner thang.
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MikeyG February 20, 2004 6:22 AM	I am a member of the Radical Fundamentalist Ass-Lesbianist Movement. I am also a charter member of the Simian Liverization Army.
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UnknownEric February 20, 2004 8:46 AM	quote: The Holy Communion tastes like breaded paper =D. Actually, I love the taste of host. It's the only reason I'll ever set foot in another Catholic church. Jesus is Yummy!
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PhreakyChinchilla February 20, 2004 8:51 AM	quote: quote: The Holy Communion tastes like breaded paper =D. Actually, I love the taste of host. It's the only reason I'll ever set foot in another Catholic church. Jesus is Yummy! Oh my lord..errr...you have just been quoted. Forever.
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UnknownEric February 20, 2004 8:51 AM	213023
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EvilJesus420 February 20, 2004 10:24 PM	Ahhh... Jesus always said,"And my body shalt be turned into bread. And it shalt tasteth like SPAM. And it will be darn tootin'"
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areallystupidguy February 22, 2004 2:04 PM	Chick.com proves that comics about religion can be fucking hilarious.
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Matchbook_Romance February 22, 2004 4:05 PM	quote: And it shalt tasteth like SPAM. When I receieve the Communion, I try real hard and think that I'm eating some spam. 10% of the time it works :\
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NooniePuuBunny
February 22, 2004 7:57 PM

I reguard comics mocking religion (any religion) to be up there with the racist comics. Now I have seen religious comics that weren't mean-spirited that WERE funny. I have no problem with those. But it seems 99% of the comics containing religious themes were made by people who thought it was funny to completely bash it.

Normally, I do ignore it. After all, if I'm steaming mad and I post on a thread, I usually just blow up at the person. I try to avoid it. But that time, I just exploded. And I do apologize to MikeyG and everyone else for the flame treatment (I already apologized on that particular thread, but I dont think niteowl or MikeyG read it so I will say it again). I had no right to flame like that. So again, I apologize for my actions.

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OMG_DaGmAr_6481987 February 23, 2004 7:39 AM	What she said. ::points:: I believe it's ok to do little things, like issues with the pope and altar boys and all that, not bashing Christianity in general.
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kramer_vs_kramer February 23, 2004 8:13 AM	quote: like issues with the pope and altar boys and all that So you're saying it's alright to bash Catholicism?
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MikeyG
February 23, 2004 8:19 AM

*bashes Christianity*

Get the general idea?

Spirituality is fine, and I can respect it. What I do NOT respect, especially being raised Roman Catholic, is when a religion starts getting down to 'forbidding' things. Everyone has the freedom to be in whatever religion they like, but I am vigorously opposed to organized religion.

If you decide to go and announce yourself as a Christian, then be prepared to take some shit for it. You want to voice your opinions on religion because you see everyone else doing it, be prepared to have opposition.

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little_kitty
February 23, 2004 8:27 AM

Mikey, I totally agree.

I was baptized Roman Catholic, and I went to a Catholic school for 11 out of my 13 years of school, but we were never really "devout" because my step-dad was baptized Lutheran, and my brother and sister were just never baptized (until a few years ago, and they were RC... but oh well).

Anyway, it was in my high school Christian Ethics (Religion) class, that I started learning about all this stuff that we are just "not allowed to do", which got me really ticked off, and led to my newfound athiesm(spelled that wrong, but meh).

That, and I think Roman Catholicism is a cult. :D

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NooniePuuBunny
February 23, 2004 9:32 AM

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Spirituality is fine, and I can respect it. What I do NOT respect, especially being raised Roman Catholic, is when a religion starts getting down to 'forbidding' things. Everyone has the freedom to be in whatever religion they like, but I am vigorously opposed to organized religion.

I can understand how Roman Catholocism could have turned you off to religion. Mom was catholic and turned away from religion all together for a long time. I was baptised catholic and was athiestic for a long time (My faith is a little over a year old). But there's a lot of extreme rules in the catholic church and rituals that most people dont even know the meaning of. Catholocism has a bad history in Europe of killing people, trying to opress and control people, and of abusing their power.

This is not going after catholicism in general. There ARE other christian extremists that do bad things in the world. Look at the Salem witch trials. They were Puritans (who also believed that the more God loved you, the more munny and stuff he gave you, which is totally not true). There are the TV evangelists who steal. And the extremists who blow up abortion clinics (to save lives...which is like fornicating to preserve virginity ). There's a lot of corruption in the preisthoods and reverends who have run astray.

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like issues with the pope and altar boys and all that

So you're saying it's alright to bash Catholicism?

No. I dont think thats what my sis means. Its okay to bash corruption in a religion as long as you don't go overboard. Reguardless of whatever spiritual walk you're on, there's usually corruption. Just as long as you dun't take it out on the actual belief system. I just dun't like people to start attacking Jesus. Attacking hypocracy is just fine (I've been hypocrytical at times myself). ...Speaking of my own hypocracy, I read your response comic to my flame comic, Mikey, and I found it hilarious. Nice shot! I did deserve it for exploding like that.

I have seen comics on this site that are really funny that do use the Jesus thing without it going to the point of actually bashing Jesus. I kinda liked the one shown on this thread in particular.

And Jesus IS yummy except for the baptist version of communion. The baptist version doesn't taste too good, but it will put hair on your chest.

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DMSO February 23, 2004 10:26 AM	Methodists are the best. They have holy Ribena instead of sacramental wine. It is often unwise to directly attack a person's deeply held beliefs about any subject, and religion is particularly sensitive. Gentle mockery is another matter, and nobody secure in their beliefs should be bothered by such things. Except Mormons. Mormons are fair game.
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xxausrottenxx February 23, 2004 11:55 AM	dmso, your name makes me think of the dead kennedys song
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Spankling
February 23, 2004 12:06 PM

I take making online comics differently from having a conversation one-on-one with a believer. I have no problem with blaming fundamentalist Christianity for the end-of-the-world mentality we have running US policy right now. But when in person and having a conversation I would probably respectfully decline to participate in a religious conversation with them. It just doesn't feel like it would accomplish anything beyond getting us both riled up. Online blather like comics, on the other hand, should never be taken personally. It's just the world blowing off steam.

Deal.

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fuzzyman February 23, 2004 5:22 PM	I once fooled a girlfriend into thinking that Methodists only use the Rhythm Method of contraception (hence the name). And, of course, the Methodist missionaries would only use the missionary position. No, she wasn't overly bright.
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laughinginyourface February 23, 2004 5:29 PM	I'm lutheran, bitch.
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jes_lawson February 23, 2004 5:33 PM	Go, sectarianism!
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fuzzyman February 23, 2004 5:34 PM	Mr. Selective Quote says... quote: I'm [a] lutheran bitch.
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areallystupidguy February 23, 2004 7:13 PM	quote: Actually, I love the taste of host. It's the only reason I'll ever set foot in another Catholic church. Jesus is Yummy! Priest: You can't put cheez whiz on the body of christ! Ralph: But Jesus tastes so dry and stale.... Guess what I'm quoting and I'll give you eleven billion dollars.
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NooniePuuBunny
February 23, 2004 8:35 PM

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I'm lutheran, bitch.

I'm a baptist b**** that was baptised Catholic at birth. I guess that means that I just like Jesus.

Speaking of baptists:

"A man died and went to heaven. St. Peter was charged with showing him around heaven. After his tour, the man looked at St. Peter and said:
'You showed me everything in heaven except for that building over there. What's in it?'
St. Peter hastily replied: 'Shh...not so loud. That's where we keep the baptists. They think they're the only ones up here...' "

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Zaster February 23, 2004 8:50 PM	I'll give the Christians one thing... they have great sects.
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MikeyG February 24, 2004 9:11 AM	quote: Priest: You can't put cheez whiz on the body of christ! Ralph: But Jesus tastes so dry and stale.... Guess what I'm quoting and I'll give you eleven billion dollars. Where's my eleven billion dollars? EXPLOITATION NOW Keenspot rocks.
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areallystupidguy February 24, 2004 4:01 PM	quote: Where's my eleven billion dollars? EXPLOITATION NOW Keenspot rocks. i already spent it since i figured no one on earth could possibly be cool enough to be familiar with exploitation now. here's some altoids and a high five.
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DragonXero
February 24, 2004 6:15 PM

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*bashes Christianity*

Get the general idea?

Spirituality is fine, and I can respect it. What I do NOT respect, especially being raised Roman Catholic, is when a religion starts getting down to 'forbidding' things. Everyone has the freedom to be in whatever religion they like, but I am vigorously opposed to organized religion.

If you decide to go and announce yourself as a Christian, then be prepared to take some shit for it. You want to voice your opinions on religion because you see everyone else doing it, be prepared to have opposition.

The same goes for other "announcments". I have no problem with homosexuals, but when someone suddenly becomes flamboyant and runs around wearing rainbow flags and speaking in an unnatural lisp, "coming out", the same logic should be followed.

"I'm Christian" "You have faith in a God who hasn't proven his own existence? You're STUPID!"

"I'm gay" "You have sex with other men? Don't you see that's unnatural? You're STUPID!"

See? The former is okay these days, the latter... not so okay. Except in Georgia. But they have sex with relatives, so they're pretty much doomed anyway.

All I'm really saying is, do you agree that anyone who openly expresses/announces something is subject to criticism and ridicule?

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OMG_DaGmAr_6481987 February 24, 2004 6:32 PM	I agree that a person IS subject to ridicule, but I think that most people would/could be level headed enough to not flame a person for it.
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theviciousanarchist February 24, 2004 7:41 PM	Maybe we should just not talk, then you'd never be critized/ridiculed... Oh wait, you can for that too.
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NooniePuuBunny
February 24, 2004 7:45 PM

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*bashes Christianity*

Get the general idea?

Spirituality is fine, and I can respect it. What I do NOT respect, especially being raised Roman Catholic, is when a religion starts getting down to 'forbidding' things. Everyone has the freedom to be in whatever religion they like, but I am vigorously opposed to organized religion.

If you decide to go and announce yourself as a Christian, then be prepared to take some shit for it. You want to voice your opinions on religion because you see everyone else doing it, be prepared to have opposition.

The same goes for other "announcments". I have no problem with homosexuals, but when someone suddenly becomes flamboyant and runs around wearing rainbow flags and speaking in an unnatural lisp, "coming out", the same logic should be followed.

"I'm Christian" "You have faith in a God who hasn't proven his own existence? You're STUPID!"

"I'm gay" "You have sex with other men? Don't you see that's unnatural? You're STUPID!"

See? The former is okay these days, the latter... not so okay. Except in Georgia. But they have sex with relatives, so they're pretty much doomed anyway.

All I'm really saying is, do you agree that anyone who openly expresses/announces something is subject to criticism and ridicule?

Yes. However, when its another religion, its not okay to be ridiculed.

206143

The sad thing is, the guy in the first panel is actually saying peices of real conversations I've had with people.

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Spankling February 24, 2004 8:54 PM	That comic is like the Bizzaro World version of what I've experienced. As a group, christians don't have any room to complain about people who complain about religion. I've seen the guy in the second panel talking before, only he was christian bashing everyone else.
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Zaster
February 24, 2004 9:11 PM

It's one thing to have a belief system discussed with you in a reasonable, adult fashion. But alot of us have had the Savior on a Stick thrown at us since we were old enough to chew solid food. I think a certain amount of backlash has to be expected. As long as the Christianity enjoys the benefits of a huge tradition of indoctrination in the West, it will also have to tolerate a certain amount of scorn from those who've rejected that indoctrination.

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DragonXero
February 24, 2004 9:57 PM

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It's one thing to have a belief system discussed with you in a reasonable, adult fashion. But alot of us have had the Savior on a Stick thrown at us since we were old enough to chew solid food. I think a certain amount of backlash has to be expected. As long as the Christianity enjoys the benefits of a huge tradition of indoctrination in the West, it will also have to tolerate a certain amount of scorn from those who've rejected that indoctrination.

I have absolutely no problem with it. I'd just like to see everyone back the hell off people who criticize other religions and such.

Some of us were *not* force fed Christian belief, and still more actually struggled to come to terms with what they believe in. I personally do not sit proudly atop the cloud with St. Peter at the gates, but I have my ideas of what is going on. In any case, I support equal rights. Christians being told they are wrong for telling wiccans are wrong, then being told that they are wrong because they are christian are probably going to have a bloody aneurism when they sit down and think about the idiocy that lies there.

One thing I'd like to remind all you america-hating, christianity-loathing induhviduals out there... In america, you have the right to say "Nah, don't believe in that God", and not get stoned, shot, crucified, drowned, buried, drawn and quartered, or even beheaded! Not even a slap on the hand! Sure, this country was raised on christian morals, and christian values, and christian scripture was placed in everything that signifies this country, but at least the church doesn't have to sanction every goddamn McDonald's. Just imagine being an athiest in early catholic rome. "So, what do you think of this new 'one god' stuff?" "I don't believe in any god, or gods." "HERETIC!!" "OFF WITH HIS HEAD!" and so forth.

You put out that opinion these days, the worst you're going to hear is "God loves you, why won't you love him?"

Anyway, done ranting.

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